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I find it odd, even sad, that derogatory language is allowed here. Right or wrong, the response reference would never have been made.
How would you feel if you were of Chinese ancestry? You might even feel there is not that much difference between the two references.

And the bottom line is, Tesla is a great American company that happens to hire people from many walks of life. Mr. Zhu is certainly an accomplished executive or he would not have the job.

I thought calling someone a racist would be below you but I guess not. Chicom is only slightly derogatory.

Chicom is formed by conscious imitation of the Chinese abbreviation 中共 < 中國共產黨. “Chicom” feels slightly derogatory. Google Ngram data show that the word has been used since the mid-1940s.
 
Trav's German, probably wouldn't care if somebody referred to him as a Kraut, however, I agree that the label he's using isn't in the best taste. But, as I noted, making a KKK reference is a pretty big jump from that.

Agree that Tesla is a great American car company, even if I'm not a fan of their interiors ;)
If you adopted a Chinese daughter and she came home one day and asked you, "Daddy, Joey called me a Chicom. What's a Chicom Daddy?", how would you feel?

I have great respect for Germans. I did some programming up in Rendsburg. Beautiful country. Happy, friendly people who know how to eat. My company gave me a brand new black/black Audi A6 to drive from Hamburg.
 
If you adopted a Chinese daughter and she came home one day and asked you, "Daddy, Joey called me a Chicom. What's a Chicom Daddy?"
I'm probably not the best to be having this conversation with, my wife has indigenous ancestry and she's always joking about burning wagons... :p We try not to take ourselves too seriously.
I have great respect for Germans. I did some programming up in Rendsburg. Beautiful country. Happy, friendly people who know how to eat. My company gave me a brand new black/black Audi A6 to drive from Hamburg.
Well, their nuclear phase-out was total lunacy, but they make great cars! My dad spent some time there a few years back for an anthropology conference, really enjoyed it, though it took a bit to get used to having beer several times a day.
 
You don't know me at all.
Ditto.
You are mistaking regular Chinese people for CCP members, from everything I have read you cannot be a Chinese company exec in a significant sized company without being a party member and therefore a chicom.
The girl in your example would be a Chinese person that's all.
 
Ditto.
You are mistaking regular Chinese people for CCP members, from everything I have read you cannot be a Chinese company exec in a significant sized company without being a party member and therefore a chicom.
The girl in your example would be a Chinese person that's all.
What I do know is your animosity is the cause of all this tirade. None of it happens without you.
 
Sour grapes? You must have mistaken me for someone who actually cares. If I sold a few cars off so my wife doesn't go crazy I could buy a tesla tomorrow but I don't want one now or ever.
Sour grapes would be someone who wants one but cant have one and is po'd at anybody who does.
Tesla is the most American car company...yet you want it to fail because of the exec running it. Yeah...
 
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I found a claim in the South China Morning Post (the biggest newspaper in Hong Kong) that he holds a New Zealand passport. This is the best I can do since older articles are available with subscription. When I saw it I could see parts of the article before the subscription overlay covered up the relevant sections.

Born in China and also reportedly holding a New Zealand passport, Zhu joined Tesla in early 2014 to help build out its Supercharger network. Before that, he helped found an international engineering consultancy that offered services to Chinese contractors wanting to expand overseas. He holds a bachelor’s degree of commerce in information technology from New Zealand’s AUT and later graduated from the MBA programme at Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business.​

It's kind of hard to find video of him, but from what I've seen he's definitely someone who grew up in China and not someone who went to an English speaking country at a young age. However, his English is impeccable. I know some people who have been in the US for decades and their English isn't anywhere near as good.

But as Panda said, China doesn't recognize dual citizenship. If he accepted any other foreign nationality, China would consider that to be renunciation of his Chinese citizenship.
Based on that education background, this is likely the typical scenario of him:

1. He has upper middle class to wealthy parents, to be able to afford sending him to another country for undergrad. Most "self made" scholars from China go oversea for graduate degrees due to cost reason, after having something to show from their academic performance in their undergrad degrees from Chinese universities

2. Perfect English means he was more likely a young immigrant than someone who arrived after high school. It is very hard to change accent if you don't start early, like before middle school. So it is even more likely either his family immigrated early (unlikely to New Zealand), or his family send him (maybe his mom as well) oversea early to start his education from middle school / high school. I know a few of these families myself, even then their kids still have a slight accent.
 
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I find it odd, even sad, that derogatory language is allowed here. Right or wrong, the response reference would never have been made.
How would you feel if you were of Chinese ancestry? You might even feel there is not that much difference between the two references.

And the bottom line is, Tesla is a great American company that happens to hire people from many walks of life. Mr. Zhu is certainly an accomplished executive or he would not have the job.
To survive Musk sweatshop and rise to the #2 spot says a lot, regardless of what background he has.
 
Ditto.
You are mistaking regular Chinese people for CCP members, from everything I have read you cannot be a Chinese company exec in a significant sized company without being a party member and therefore a chicom.
The girl in your example would be a Chinese person that's all.

1. You can't be a CCP member if you hold a foreign passport, at least not legally.

2. CCP membership is not freely handed out to everyone in China, it is a "club" that only the "high performing" member of the society can join, i.e. the "good students", "reputable workers of the lower income people", etc etc. I have seen a lot of debates among younger people on whether they should join or not on Chinese blogs, and my cousin had that debate when she was young (18). The good thing is it is a good "network" that helps you in your career inside China, the bad is you might be asked to "help the nation" if needed, and if you decided to leave China for US, you might be in some trouble climbing corp ladder. My cousin was asked to help sell gov bonds and she ended up buying a lot at the time (i.e. 2 months salary) when she was not that well off.

3. Zhu's boss is Elon Musk. If he take CCP's side instead of Musk do you think Musk would send him to Texas to be his #2 or do you think Musk would keep Zhu inside China?
 
Tesla is the most American car company...yet you want it to fail because of the exec running it. Yeah...
A lot of people want Tesla to fail because it is a "liberal California company" from Bay Area. It is all blue state red state political nonsense. You can hire the great great grand children of Henry Ford and some people would still call it an unAmerican company and want it to fail.
 
Based on that education background, this is likely the typical scenario of him:

1. He has upper middle class to wealthy parents, to be able to afford sending him to another country for undergrad. Most "self made" scholars from China go oversea for graduate degrees due to cost reason, after having something to show from their academic performance in their undergrad degrees from Chinese universities

2. Perfect English means he was more likely a young immigrant than someone who arrived after high school. It is very hard to change accent if you don't start early, like before middle school. So it is even more likely either his family immigrated early (unlikely to New Zealand), or his family send him (maybe his mom as well) oversea early to start his education from middle school / high school. I know a few of these families myself, even then their kids still have a slight accent.

I've heard that the book "Harvard Girl" from the early 2000s created a trend where students from China went to the United States for undergraduate education. I remember a lot of graduate students from China, but no undergraduates in my time.

Edit: Here's the Wiki entry on the book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Girl

He still has an accent, but one where his grammar is impeccable. I know Chinese expats who have been in the United States for decades and they still miss pretty basic things like gender pronouns and tense. I'm thinking he might have been sent to an international school. However, on visit to China, I remember coming across a girl speaking English with her dad at the airport and I asked where they were from, which was Shanghai. She went to an American international schools and her English was a perfect neutral American accent.

Someone I worked with came to the US during high school. His grammar was perfect but obviously his accent still had Chinese tinges.
 
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A lot of people want Tesla to fail because it is a "liberal California company" from Bay Area. It is all blue state red state political nonsense. You can hire the great great grand children of Henry Ford and some people would still call it an unAmerican company and want it to fail.
Man, one time I was riding in a friend's car. It was a POS. I really hoped we would run off a bridge or into a tree at a high rate of speed. I hated that car.
 
Based on that education background, this is likely the typical scenario of him:

1. He has upper middle class to wealthy parents, to be able to afford sending him to another country for undergrad. Most "self made" scholars from China go oversea for graduate degrees due to cost reason, after having something to show from their academic performance in their undergrad degrees from Chinese universities

2. Perfect English means he was more likely a young immigrant than someone who arrived after high school. It is very hard to change accent if you don't start early, like before middle school. So it is even more likely either his family immigrated early (unlikely to New Zealand), or his family send him (maybe his mom as well) oversea early to start his education from middle school / high school. I know a few of these families myself, even then their kids still have a slight accent.


I did a search on him. His bio is vague. He was born in China. His parents may be from different countries. He went to university in New Zealand but also went to Duke here in the US.

I assume Elon knows more about him than the internet.
 
I did a search on him. His bio is vague. He was born in China. His parents may be from different countries. He went to university in New Zealand but also went to Duke here in the US.

I assume Elon knows more about him than the internet.
But not more than the BITOG folks ... :geek:
 
Perhaps but the CCP can hold leverage via your family in China. The US Navy is finding this out the hard way. I’m sure the rest of the military is checking people out too.
I'm sure Musk's paycheck and stock grants hold Zhu leverage as well. Remember Tesla is a civilian car company, not a military one.
 
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