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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: bigmike
That said, nobody ever thinks of these cultures when they state ridiculous comments about the earth being flat.
Is this your personal belief, too?
I don't state ridiculous comments about the earth being flat.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
That said, nobody ever thinks of these cultures when they state ridiculous comments about the earth being flat.
Is this your personal belief, too?
I don't state ridiculous comments about the earth being flat.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
So for only one instance:
What about a guy who dies on the operating table in a certain hospital room, and finds himself temporarily moving about in other hospital rooms, and can describe people and events there, when he is crash carted back to life by the doctors?
The mind? Can't be. It's spiritual stuff.
Umpteen jillion examples exist in different flavors.
Human mind can hallucinate all sorts of stuff when the brain is short of oxygen, google the choking game.
So for only one instance:
What about a guy who dies on the operating table in a certain hospital room, and finds himself temporarily moving about in other hospital rooms, and can describe people and events there, when he is crash carted back to life by the doctors?
The mind? Can't be. It's spiritual stuff.
Umpteen jillion examples exist in different flavors.
Human mind can hallucinate all sorts of stuff when the brain is short of oxygen, google the choking game.
Hi mechtech2,
Are you postulating that people turn into ghosts when they die, and that they can change back into physical beings when resuscitated?
Your example, even if only one of an "umpteen jillion," lacks any credibility without documentation. Anybody can claim anything. Your example also goes far and beyond the often reported near-death experiences, for example tunnel vision and a bright light, both phenomena, which have been scientifically explained.
Cheers,
-J
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
So for only one instance:
What about a guy who dies on the operating table in a certain hospital room, and finds himself temporarily moving about in other hospital rooms, and can describe people and events there, when he is crash carted back to life by the doctors?
The mind? Can't be. It's spiritual stuff.
Umpteen jillion examples exist in different flavors.
Are you postulating that people turn into ghosts when they die, and that they can change back into physical beings when resuscitated?
Your example, even if only one of an "umpteen jillion," lacks any credibility without documentation. Anybody can claim anything. Your example also goes far and beyond the often reported near-death experiences, for example tunnel vision and a bright light, both phenomena, which have been scientifically explained.
Cheers,
-J
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
So for only one instance:
What about a guy who dies on the operating table in a certain hospital room, and finds himself temporarily moving about in other hospital rooms, and can describe people and events there, when he is crash carted back to life by the doctors?
The mind? Can't be. It's spiritual stuff.
Umpteen jillion examples exist in different flavors.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Human mind can hallucinate all sorts of stuff when the brain is short of oxygen, google the choking game.
When it reflects what actually happened, it is more than a hallucination.
Human mind can hallucinate all sorts of stuff when the brain is short of oxygen, google the choking game.
When it reflects what actually happened, it is more than a hallucination.
Originally Posted By: TooManyWheels
When it reflects what actually happened, it is more than a hallucination.
You have to factor in the possibility of overhearing things that actually happened, and the "stopped clock is right twice a day" luck, then it is not that impossible for this to be a hallucination.
If you have someone go through a near death experience and ask him to make sure he look at a random number written on a post card in the next room, and see how many times he will get it right and how many times he will get it wrong. Then you'll know for sure if it is real or not.
When it reflects what actually happened, it is more than a hallucination.
You have to factor in the possibility of overhearing things that actually happened, and the "stopped clock is right twice a day" luck, then it is not that impossible for this to be a hallucination.
If you have someone go through a near death experience and ask him to make sure he look at a random number written on a post card in the next room, and see how many times he will get it right and how many times he will get it wrong. Then you'll know for sure if it is real or not.
That doesn't make sense. You and your friend would have to know BEFOREHAND that he was going to have a near death experience in order to pull off this 'experiment'.
Hi Footpounds,
This experiment could absolutely be performed.
Cheers,
-J
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatliners
Originally Posted By: Footpounds
That doesn't make sense. You and your friend would have to know BEFOREHAND that he was going to have a near death experience in order to pull off this 'experiment'.
This experiment could absolutely be performed.
Cheers,
-J
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatliners
Originally Posted By: Footpounds
That doesn't make sense. You and your friend would have to know BEFOREHAND that he was going to have a near death experience in order to pull off this 'experiment'.
Unless you can really pull off this experiment, the probability of the scenario being "a clock that's right twice a day" is far greater than those people who had a near death experience and didn't get an out of body spirit travel, or that it is merely overhearing the conversations of other surgeons or doctors, or the whole scenarios were passed around as stories so many times that some important details were lost.
We are talking about probability, not possibility.
We are talking about probability, not possibility.
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Originally Posted By: Footpounds
That doesn't make sense. You and your friend would have to know BEFOREHAND that he was going to have a near death experience in order to pull off this 'experiment'.
Agreed.
What you could do is to search the literature for what kinds of operations are most likely to produce near-death experiences, find people who are about to undergo such operations, and say, "IF you have a near-death experience, please try to remember X" (obviously X would have to be something that the subject could not know in advance of the operation or hear during it, etc.).
If that worked, it would be revolutionary to say the least. If it failed, it wouldn't prove anything either way. Sounds like we'd have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
That doesn't make sense. You and your friend would have to know BEFOREHAND that he was going to have a near death experience in order to pull off this 'experiment'.
Agreed.
What you could do is to search the literature for what kinds of operations are most likely to produce near-death experiences, find people who are about to undergo such operations, and say, "IF you have a near-death experience, please try to remember X" (obviously X would have to be something that the subject could not know in advance of the operation or hear during it, etc.).
If that worked, it would be revolutionary to say the least. If it failed, it wouldn't prove anything either way. Sounds like we'd have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Originally Posted By: John_Corey
Hi Footpounds,
This experiment could absolutely be performed.
Cheers,
-J
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatliners
I suspect that most IRBs would have some issues with approving that kind of experiment.
Hi Footpounds,
This experiment could absolutely be performed.
Cheers,
-J
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatliners
I suspect that most IRBs would have some issues with approving that kind of experiment.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: John_Corey
Hi Footpounds,
This experiment could absolutely be performed.
Cheers,
-J
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatliners
I suspect that most IRBs would have some issues with approving that kind of experiment.
Hi d00df00d,
I did not suggest that anyone should, but only that one could make such an experiment.
Cheers,
-J
Originally Posted By: John_Corey
Hi Footpounds,
This experiment could absolutely be performed.
Cheers,
-J
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatliners
I suspect that most IRBs would have some issues with approving that kind of experiment.
Hi d00df00d,
I did not suggest that anyone should, but only that one could make such an experiment.
Cheers,
-J
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