George S. Patton

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Yes, I think that is what I read. The picture of Patton looks familiar, and I do frequent UK new sources. They seem to be less censored than the news in the US.



Originally Posted By: LTVibe

This could be what you mean:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...s-new-book.html

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...American spy chiefs wanted Patton dead because he was threatening to expose allied collusion with the Russians that cost American lives.
 
You've made some very good points but still there are problems, in my estimate, to be had with speculating on historic events. What I am meaning is that "facts" are not always true. What is stated as a fact in ones testimony, as in the UK news article, does not in and of itself make a fact "true" to a particular historic event. That the NKVD would have liked to have seen Patton dead, or at least some of its agents would have, may itself be a fact...but it is a leap to jump to an NKVD assassination of Patton. Stuff happens. Accidents do happen. People do die. People are killed, murdered or assassinated. Where is the proof, which is especially convenient about 65 years after the event?

A good case in point is speculation about the death of the Princess of Wales. She died. We all have good reason to believe she is dead. I believe she died in a stupid high speed accident like anyone else may have died with a drunk at the wheel hitting an abutment in a tunnel. What a leap it is to speculate that Queen Elizabeth, or other members of the royal family had her killed. People die every day in auto "accidents" who aren't royals. She was mortal like all of us, she got killed, just as we might under similar circumstances. That is what my meaning is/was in saying such speculating stated as facts, are a waste of time, and even dangerous.

That ones interpretation of an event, stated as a fact, happens very often not to be the real "truth" of a matter. For example, witnesses to an accident or a crime very frequently "see" the same event but report different "facts" to investigators. Even in a video (such as the Rodney King beating in Los Angles) many witness reported different "facts" than did other witnesses. Many actual witnesses and later viewers of the video did, or didn't see, what others said were the "facts" in the case. (What I saw in the King beating was six or eight cops taking turns beating King, rather than all of them nailing him to the ground and cuffing him).

These are not dissimilar to what I term as "speculating" on historical events, with flimsy facts and postulating those "facts" as what really did happen. BTW, like you I want to know the "truth" to historic events regardless of who won or lost, but also I don't want to accept as true something that happened long ago and far away based on what some celebrated man alone says happened. One man's truth, could be another man's lie. I don't mind being made aware of a different perspective on an event but I'm not willing to accept that it is a fact in the sense of a historic factual truth.
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I watched the Patton movie with George C. Scott. It has historical audio commentary after the movie, it's played with the movie playing in the background. He is a fascinating character.

I did not know he was in the Olympics in the pentathlon.

They say there is a General Patton Memorial museum in Indio, CA. Desert training center, or Camp Young.

http://www.generalpattonmuseum.com/about_general_patton.asp


Fifth Olympiad

Patton participated in the 1912 Summer Olympics in Stockholm in the first-ever modern pentathlon. He placed sixth out of 37 contestants in 300 meter freestyle swimming. Patton was third out of 29 fencers. In the equestrian cross-country steeplechase, he was among the three riders who turned in perfect performances, but he placed third because of his time. Patton "hit the wall" 50 yards (46 m) from the finish line of the four kilometer cross-country footrace, then fainted after crossing the line at a walk. He finished third out of 15 contestants. He finished fifth overall. He also made the U.S. Modern Pentathlon team for the 1916 Summer Olympics, scheduled for Berlin, Germany, but the Games were cancelled due to World War I.
[edit] Pistol shooting controversy

In pistol shooting, Patton placed 20th out of 32 contestants. He used a .38 caliber pistol, while most of the other competitors chose .22 caliber firearms. He claimed that the holes in the paper from early shots were so large that some of his later bullets passed through them, but the judges decided he missed the target completely once. Modern competitions on this level frequently now employ a moving background to specifically track multiple shots through the same hole.[5] There was much controversy, but the judges’ ruling was upheld. Patton neither complained, nor made excuses. Patton's only comment was:

"The high spirit of sportsmanship and generosity manifested throughout speaks volumes for the character of the officers of the present day. There was not a single incident of a protest or any unsportsmanlike quibbling or fighting for points which I may say, marred some of the other civilian competitions at the Olympic Games. Each man did his best and took what fortune sent them like a true soldier, and at the end we all felt more like good friends and comrades than rivals in a severe competition, yet this spirit of friendship in no manner detracted from the zeal with which all strove for success."[6]
 
Originally Posted By: oilboy123
I did not know he was in the Olympics in the pentathlon.

I did not know that either. Now I know what General Truscott meant in the scene where he told Patton "You're an old athlete yourself General, you know matches are sometimes postponed.".
 
I am surprised that Patton's Olympic history was totally omitted from the movie.

I always thought that Eisenhower was the best of the best, but things are coming to light that show otherwise. President Truman called him "gutless" and "a coward". I never understood why - it seemed so impossibly out of place. But now things are coming out.
 
He wanted to be buried among his men. He is the only American General to be buried in a foreign country.

I did not know he was riding in the car to go hunting when the accident occurred that led later to his death.
 
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