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When is the last time this type of thing has gone on this long after a hurricane ...and over such a wide expanse??
What is unright here??
What is unright here??
Gas price Panic buying at it's finest!
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
When is the last time this type of thing has gone on this long after a hurricane ...and over such a wide expanse??
What is unright here??
Good question.
From Today's News, An Explanation?
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Tom Crosby, a spokesman for AAA Carolinas, said more than two-thirds of the Gulf Coast oil refineries shut down by Ike are back online. Fuel is again flowing in the pipelines that serve the hardest-hit areas, he said, but not enough to account for folks rushing to top off their tanks when an empty station is resupplied.
When is the last time this type of thing has gone on this long after a hurricane ...and over such a wide expanse??
What is unright here??
Good question.
From Today's News, An Explanation?
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Tom Crosby, a spokesman for AAA Carolinas, said more than two-thirds of the Gulf Coast oil refineries shut down by Ike are back online. Fuel is again flowing in the pipelines that serve the hardest-hit areas, he said, but not enough to account for folks rushing to top off their tanks when an empty station is resupplied.
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Very odd. I guess uncertainty makes people spend 2 gallons of gas idling to get 4 gallons of gas in their tank for "peace of mind".
With a decent length commute... I can't see anyone needing gas in less than 4 days from full to 1/4 tank (yes, someone doing extended commutes may fall out of this format). One would think that a full tank and one fill up at the 4 day mark would handle all "normal" 100% anticipated driving for 14 days (10 mandated work days and 4 elective driving days).
My wife commutes 50+ miles a day. She gets 18.x in her jeep ..20+ in mine. She works a 4 day work week. She needs fuel ever 4 days with her commute (she gets anxious when the "little man" comes on) in hers ..and can get one more day out of using mine. Two weeks should see the situation return to 100% normal in terms of supply.
With a decent length commute... I can't see anyone needing gas in less than 4 days from full to 1/4 tank (yes, someone doing extended commutes may fall out of this format). One would think that a full tank and one fill up at the 4 day mark would handle all "normal" 100% anticipated driving for 14 days (10 mandated work days and 4 elective driving days).
My wife commutes 50+ miles a day. She gets 18.x in her jeep ..20+ in mine. She works a 4 day work week. She needs fuel ever 4 days with her commute (she gets anxious when the "little man" comes on) in hers ..and can get one more day out of using mine. Two weeks should see the situation return to 100% normal in terms of supply.
Something really smells about all this.
The wife and I left for Fort Lauderdale on Wed. the 17th. At that time we were seeing a few spot outages but was able to top up the GC without any problems. I had gassed my van the previous Wed. without any problems, and prices were actually falling.
When we went through S. Carolina we didn't see any problems and waited to gas up until our lunch stop in GA. There were spot outages, but nothing serious. All the way to Ft Lauderdale didn't see anything that looked like a shortage. Just an occasional outage, but nothing serious.
Fast forward to yesterday, Gassed the GC and headed home. Saw no outages anywhere in FL. and the prices had dropped $.08 to $.12.
Overnite in Southern GA, Gassed up and hit the road. No outages and prices had dropped $.30 from the trip down!
Called #1 son and asked about gas in Charlotte. He said there was no gas anywhere, so started watching close. Gased up at a Pilot truck stop on I-26 about 50 miles south of Columbia. Plenty of gas. 25 miles south of Columbia began seeing 0's on the gas signs. Don't know what the situation is in Columbia, but we stopped at an Exxon for potty break at exit 34 on I-77. Station had gas at all pumps so topped up again.
cruised on in, and unpacked, went out for supper, My 2 local stations were out, went to Mint Hill and 2 of 3 stations had gas, cars were lined up for blocks. On the way back after super, the shell station had ran out.
This is just crazy! Didn't see anything near like this in Katrina aftermath in 05.
Something shady has to be going on here.
Anyway, anyone planning to pass through Charlotte, NC better plan well ahead.
I hope things settle down soon. We are planning to go to Raleigh next Sat. to visit #3 son who has jetted in from Pheonix, AZ.
The wife and I left for Fort Lauderdale on Wed. the 17th. At that time we were seeing a few spot outages but was able to top up the GC without any problems. I had gassed my van the previous Wed. without any problems, and prices were actually falling.
When we went through S. Carolina we didn't see any problems and waited to gas up until our lunch stop in GA. There were spot outages, but nothing serious. All the way to Ft Lauderdale didn't see anything that looked like a shortage. Just an occasional outage, but nothing serious.
Fast forward to yesterday, Gassed the GC and headed home. Saw no outages anywhere in FL. and the prices had dropped $.08 to $.12.
Overnite in Southern GA, Gassed up and hit the road. No outages and prices had dropped $.30 from the trip down!
Called #1 son and asked about gas in Charlotte. He said there was no gas anywhere, so started watching close. Gased up at a Pilot truck stop on I-26 about 50 miles south of Columbia. Plenty of gas. 25 miles south of Columbia began seeing 0's on the gas signs. Don't know what the situation is in Columbia, but we stopped at an Exxon for potty break at exit 34 on I-77. Station had gas at all pumps so topped up again.
cruised on in, and unpacked, went out for supper, My 2 local stations were out, went to Mint Hill and 2 of 3 stations had gas, cars were lined up for blocks. On the way back after super, the shell station had ran out.
This is just crazy! Didn't see anything near like this in Katrina aftermath in 05.
Something shady has to be going on here.
Anyway, anyone planning to pass through Charlotte, NC better plan well ahead.
I hope things settle down soon. We are planning to go to Raleigh next Sat. to visit #3 son who has jetted in from Pheonix, AZ.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
When is the last time this type of thing has gone on this long after a hurricane ...and over such a wide expanse??
What is unright here??
I'm surprised the fact that Nashville had no gas for almost a week. This should have rang bells on all the major television networks. There seems to be a big effort by _____ to keep the pipeline damage on the downlow. Even on the news, "the pipeline is running 100% and up and running" Yet, every station in town was out of gas. Even the local news reported "gas shortage will only be a few days" yet, they kept repeating this every few days when we were out. We need the national enquirer to investigate this.
When is the last time this type of thing has gone on this long after a hurricane ...and over such a wide expanse??
What is unright here??
I'm surprised the fact that Nashville had no gas for almost a week. This should have rang bells on all the major television networks. There seems to be a big effort by _____ to keep the pipeline damage on the downlow. Even on the news, "the pipeline is running 100% and up and running" Yet, every station in town was out of gas. Even the local news reported "gas shortage will only be a few days" yet, they kept repeating this every few days when we were out. We need the national enquirer to investigate this.
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Call them up and ask. That's what I'd do
If you start getting a spin ..then cue the Twilight Zone music and see if trucks are moving in with big seed pods on them.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/15/gas-rationing-needed-former-oil-executive-says/
The United States will be in "a world of hurt" for the next four to six weeks as the oil industry recovers from the damage from Hurricanes Gustav and Ike, said Mr. Hofmeister
The areas where rationing will be needed include the Southeast and extend northward toward Denver, the upper Midwest and Washington, D.C.
Mr. Hofmeister witnessed gas lines while traveling through Tennessee on Friday as consumers rushed to fill their tanks in anticipation of Ike's damage.
"The supply system in America is not designed for everybody to 'top-off' their tanks," Mr. Hofmeister said
The United States will be in "a world of hurt" for the next four to six weeks as the oil industry recovers from the damage from Hurricanes Gustav and Ike, said Mr. Hofmeister
The areas where rationing will be needed include the Southeast and extend northward toward Denver, the upper Midwest and Washington, D.C.
Mr. Hofmeister witnessed gas lines while traveling through Tennessee on Friday as consumers rushed to fill their tanks in anticipation of Ike's damage.
"The supply system in America is not designed for everybody to 'top-off' their tanks," Mr. Hofmeister said
Gas prices have been falling lately eh!
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Gas prices have been falling lately eh!
Average gas price in Nashville is $3.89/gallon according to nashvillegasprices.com National price average is $3.61/gallon. I guess because were using American oil from the Gulf!
Gas prices have been falling lately eh!
Average gas price in Nashville is $3.89/gallon according to nashvillegasprices.com National price average is $3.61/gallon. I guess because were using American oil from the Gulf!
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"The supply system in America is not designed for everybody to 'top-off' their tanks," Mr. Hofmeister said
Sure it is. There are busy times and not so busy times. Double the people doing it double the time (which would be 1/4 tank or less, and the system, if normally supplied, would work just fine.
Institute an ODD:EVEN tag number system to cut the number in half per day.
"The supply system in America is not designed for everybody to 'top-off' their tanks," Mr. Hofmeister said
Sure it is. There are busy times and not so busy times. Double the people doing it double the time (which would be 1/4 tank or less, and the system, if normally supplied, would work just fine.
Institute an ODD:EVEN tag number system to cut the number in half per day.
We are down to $3.22 here in KC, dropping about 5 to 6¢ every other day or so. Was $3.39 last Sunday. One station in Independence MO a Quick Trip is $3.09, do not know how long it stayed that low, but it made the local news.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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Institute an ODD:EVEN tag number system to cut the number in half per day.
Gary:
I'm right with on most of the things we debate here, but I cringe when I see this idea floated. Yes, without doubt, we could do it, if push came to shove and we really needed to. But since the fuel crunches of the 70s, our fuel point-of-sale system has evolved into a mostly self-serve system, and if we did this, there'd be a massive increase in cost for the added labor to police the program (except perhaps in Oregon and Jersey, which already don't allow self-serve gas). And what would you do with guys like me whose vanity tags begin and end with letters, not numbers?
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Institute an ODD:EVEN tag number system to cut the number in half per day.
Gary:
I'm right with on most of the things we debate here, but I cringe when I see this idea floated. Yes, without doubt, we could do it, if push came to shove and we really needed to. But since the fuel crunches of the 70s, our fuel point-of-sale system has evolved into a mostly self-serve system, and if we did this, there'd be a massive increase in cost for the added labor to police the program (except perhaps in Oregon and Jersey, which already don't allow self-serve gas). And what would you do with guys like me whose vanity tags begin and end with letters, not numbers?
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/15/gas-rationing-needed-former-oil-executive-says/
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Mr. Hofmeister witnessed gas lines while traveling through Tennessee on Friday as consumers rushed to fill their tanks in anticipation of Ike's damage.
"The supply system in America is not designed for everybody to 'top-off' their tanks," Mr. Hofmeister said
Exactly what do we expect reasonable persons to do? Say to themselves, "oh, hey, I've got just 1/3 of a tank left, and normally I wouldn't refuel for another four days, but I'll be cool and "behave" myself, that hurricane that's coming tomorrow won't be a problem, so I'll just wait until later..." We all know that's not how it goes, including the folks who own and regulate the fuel distribution system. Joe SixPack out there watches the pillars of his community, Wall St bankers, etc., helping themselves in their dealings, mostly at the little guy's expense, and then everyone's surprised and disappointed when a zillion little guys try to cover themselves when a big storm is coming??? Let's be real now.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/15/gas-rationing-needed-former-oil-executive-says/
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Mr. Hofmeister witnessed gas lines while traveling through Tennessee on Friday as consumers rushed to fill their tanks in anticipation of Ike's damage.
"The supply system in America is not designed for everybody to 'top-off' their tanks," Mr. Hofmeister said
Exactly what do we expect reasonable persons to do? Say to themselves, "oh, hey, I've got just 1/3 of a tank left, and normally I wouldn't refuel for another four days, but I'll be cool and "behave" myself, that hurricane that's coming tomorrow won't be a problem, so I'll just wait until later..." We all know that's not how it goes, including the folks who own and regulate the fuel distribution system. Joe SixPack out there watches the pillars of his community, Wall St bankers, etc., helping themselves in their dealings, mostly at the little guy's expense, and then everyone's surprised and disappointed when a zillion little guys try to cover themselves when a big storm is coming??? Let's be real now.
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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Institute an ODD:EVEN tag number system to cut the number in half per day.
Gary:
I'm right with on most of the things we debate here, but I cringe when I see this idea floated. Yes, without doubt, we could do it, if push came to shove and we really needed to. But since the fuel crunches of the 70s, our fuel point-of-sale system has evolved into a mostly self-serve system, and if we did this, there'd be a massive increase in cost for the added labor to police the program (except perhaps in Oregon and Jersey, which already don't allow self-serve gas). And what would you do with guys like me whose vanity tags begin and end with letters, not numbers?
Well, I agree that it might be cumbersome to administer with our self serve setups ...but just look at what it would avoid.
It would PAY the municipalities to have police or fire police park official vehicles at the various gas stations just to "keep honest people honest" in not getting gas on the odd:even day.
Although your point is well taken, if you were an official putting this out in a news release, I'd say that it appears somewhat ignorant of the tremendous hardship/pain/burden/obstacle that no action is producing.
We're going to let the cattle stampede because to stop it we would have to hire wranglers
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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Institute an ODD:EVEN tag number system to cut the number in half per day.
Gary:
I'm right with on most of the things we debate here, but I cringe when I see this idea floated. Yes, without doubt, we could do it, if push came to shove and we really needed to. But since the fuel crunches of the 70s, our fuel point-of-sale system has evolved into a mostly self-serve system, and if we did this, there'd be a massive increase in cost for the added labor to police the program (except perhaps in Oregon and Jersey, which already don't allow self-serve gas). And what would you do with guys like me whose vanity tags begin and end with letters, not numbers?
Well, I agree that it might be cumbersome to administer with our self serve setups ...but just look at what it would avoid.
Although your point is well taken, if you were an official putting this out in a news release, I'd say that it appears somewhat ignorant of the tremendous hardship/pain/burden/obstacle that no action is producing.
We're going to let the cattle stampede because to stop it we would have to hire wranglers
What baffles the dodo out of me, is that gas cannot be trucked in from the Midwest or some other area. There is plenty of gas here in the KC area. Heck we are having gas wars. Some prices as low as $3.09 if they are selling at ultra low profit margins. I'll bet it is because the Midwest refineries are not capable of producing the special EPA blends for the area that is affected by the shortages.
Once again, useless regulation gets in the way of the market.
EPA lifted RVP limits after Katrina to help distribution. They even allowed dyed diesel to be sold for over-the-road use as long as the tax was eventually paid!
If they want to ration gas, they shouldn't let people idle in lines with license plates. (Could go with driver's license #.) Make them WALK with a 5 gallon can. People are so lazy they'll wait until they REALLY NEED gas, and not just top off every RV etc they own for bragging rights. We could get some velvet ropes from failed banks and corrall the pedestrians single-file, preventing hurt feelings from those backing around etc to get the opposite side filler neck of their vehicles up to pumps.
If they want to ration gas, they shouldn't let people idle in lines with license plates. (Could go with driver's license #.) Make them WALK with a 5 gallon can. People are so lazy they'll wait until they REALLY NEED gas, and not just top off every RV etc they own for bragging rights. We could get some velvet ropes from failed banks and corrall the pedestrians single-file, preventing hurt feelings from those backing around etc to get the opposite side filler neck of their vehicles up to pumps.
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