Fresh Oil = Quiet

Ima convene a panel of folks. For next V6 Tacoma oil change.

Stand around HOT engine with 1 year oil. Listen.

Then I do an oil change.

Stand around cool engine with new oil. Listen.


You be deaf if you cannot hear the difference. Much much more quiet.

You are changing the substrate, no?

A better test would be cold engine old oil, cold engine new oil.

Otherwise you are introducing a substantial uncontrolled variable with engine temperature, not to mention any recency bias, location differences, etc.

I do noise monitoring regularly as part of my job. This is a lot like Santa Claus, if it makes you all feel better then who am I to ruin your fantasies.
 
I wonder if the vibration would work?
It would be very difficult. You have a large broadband random spectrum of vibration going on, looking for a very specific, very minor change in a specific frequency band. You'd also need a lot of compiled baseline data to use as a historical average against the "new oil" recording, narrow-band frequency tuning to find the valve events, and enough resolution and filtering to sort out extraneous measurement noise. Acoustic measurements would be, in most instances for this, better.

Change in engine sound after an oil change isn't uncommon; Ford actually has a TSB out for "typewriter ticking" on the 6.7L PSDs following an oil change. Takes 500-1000 miles for it to go away.

https://www.dieselhub.com/resources/ford-tsb-10-19-2.pdf
 
You are changing the substrate, no?

A better test would be cold engine old oil, cold engine new oil.

Otherwise you are introducing a substantial uncontrolled variable with engine temperature, not to mention any recency bias, location differences, etc.

I do noise monitoring regularly as part of my job. This is a lot like Santa Claus, if it makes you all feel better then who am I to ruin your fantasies.
Of course but I was answering simply. It’s quieter after pouring new oil in.
 
This is a real thing, some engines are more sensitive to it than others. Decibel meter wouldn't work. Because it measures the limit.
- For example if engine idles at 80db, but has an additional tapping or chatter somewhere at less than 80db - then the meter wouldn't catch it. It only sees the upper limit at any given time.
- Then the new oil takes care of that additional tapping or chatter, engine seems quieter overall, but meter will still show 80db. Because that tapping/chatter never became the loudest engine sound, it was just an additional sound in that mechanical polyphonic symphony.

P.S. That colorblind example is spot on. I got people who didn't know they were colorblind until mid-20s.
 
This is a real thing, some engines are more sensitive to it than others. Decibel meter wouldn't work. Because it measures the limit.
- For example if engine idles at 80db, but has an additional tapping or chatter somewhere at less than 80db - then the meter wouldn't catch it. It only sees the upper limit at any given time.
- Then the new oil takes care of that additional tapping or chatter, engine seems quieter overall, but meter will still show 80db. Because that tapping/chatter never became the loudest engine sound, it was just an additional sound in that mechanical polyphonic symphony.

P.S. That colorblind example is spot on. I got people who didn't know they were colorblind until mid-20s.
With a 1/3-octave sound meter, depending on the capture settings, it would be possible but I don't know if it would be useful. A-weighting, continuous capture vs peak hold, etc. You'd still need to identify the frequency band of the specific noise you're after - valvetrain chatter, timing chain noise, etc.
 
Look, I'm after something, anything here that could show it. Hell, just record a video.
@Pablo already invited people over for a an Oil Change Sound Change BITOG Conference. I have no reason to go, as I witnessed that phenomenon first hand a bazillion of times. But whoever is interested - just figure out the logistics and feel free to enjoy the before/after sounds of the 3.5L Tacoma.
 
Brings back memories in high school in the early 80's... I remember a few 70's Olds that would pass me in the parking lot with a tick.
Wonder if using Mineral oil would help as my older 90's slightly modded Harley can't run M1 synthetic V Twin oil as I get a bad tick, I get zero top end noise with same wt Dino oil...
The noise I heard isn't really a tick, nobody would hear it as I drive by....just a little excess valve train noise at idle. I did have a 307 Olds years ago though that had a tick when I got it. I put a used set of rocker arms on the passenger side bank and that fixed the noise on it.

Dino vs conventional made now difference in my 350 olds though....one of the quietest was 5w30 Pennzoil platinum. Currently using 0w40 m1.
 
I have no clue but had the same issues until I moved to Euro oil.
I had the same issue until I started using a 50 grade in my Accent. I have seen plenty of modern engines (believe it or not Subaru is the worst) turn their 0w20 into something the consistency of water. Fuel dilution is my guess
 
Moral of the story: always use fresh oil. As soon as the unwanted sounds start, time for an oil change. Problem solved.
In my case it starts to make a little more noise at under 3k miles. The other engine is always slightly noisier for the first 500 miles at least...and doesn't get any noisier at the end of an oil change. The difference is more apparent with the engine running inside the closed garage.
 
The new oil quiet whether actual or preceived is good !
This was actually an advertising campaign many, many years ago for Pennzoil. The ad stated that something like 7 out of 10 people perceived their car to be quieter after an oil change. I figured since they said "perceived", it wasn't something that Pennzoil was claiming as an actual truth.
 
This was actually an advertising campaign many, many years ago for Pennzoil. The ad stated that something like 7 out of 10 people perceived their car to be quieter after an oil change. I figured since they said "perceived", it wasn't something that Pennzoil was claiming as an actual truth.
Wax will do that 😷 (ears and motors)
 
I want a Pepsi Challenge setup for this. I get to walk the rando BITOGers into the garage where there are two indentical vehicles. It is only known to the tester which has/hasn't had an oil change. See which they pick. Then do this but lie about which is which or even make them both the same. I took PYSC101 30+ uears ago in undergrad so know how to do this.
 
This was actually an advertising campaign many, many years ago for Pennzoil. The ad stated that something like 7 out of 10 people perceived their car to be quieter after an oil change. I figured since they said "perceived", it wasn't something that Pennzoil was claiming as an actual truth.
A few years back 6% of people polled said they could beat a grizzly bear in a hand to hand fight… and slightly more said they could beat an elephant… some people are just idiots and shouldn’t be listened to.
 
Shearing? fuel dilution? wishful thinking? maybe take a sample and send out for analysis.
Not in a 2010...fuel dilution wouldn't be a operating issue unless of a leaky injector or damage to a piston ring. Maybe if it's on a track but it's not even direct injection so that probably won't be the case. Shearing won't be it either; it's a true synthetic that like only a handful of others will have little to no shearing at all as well. My stomach instinct tells me two things and the first is I want steak and eggs and the second is it probably needs to have belt replaced, valves and guides inspected for wear. It does have over a quarter million miles so even though it's a Japanese car; a solid maintenance and inspection service might be on the menu.
 
I want a Pepsi Challenge setup for this. I get to walk the rando BITOGers into the garage where there are two indentical vehicles. It is only known to the tester which has/hasn't had an oil change. See which they pick. Then do this but lie about which is which or even make them both the same. I took PYSC101 30+ uears ago in undergrad so know how to do this.
I see a small flaw here, which is likely easily fixable. No two cars are fully identical: usage, patterns, weather, etc... When we notice the sound difference - it's always the same vehicle, just at different times and old/new oil in the crankcase.

I also mentioned (either here or on other similar threads) that I can notice by valvetrain chatter which engine is low on oil. That happens on the vehicles of friends and family that I maintain. Since I'm the one servicing them - I know how quiet those engines are with fresh oil at full capacity. So when my God given hearing sensors go off - it often ends up being that the vehicle in question is closer to the end of its OCI, or is currently low on oil.

I guess I should also note that I come from a musical family, we all sing in choir or solo or groups, and all have hearing that is trained to be extremely sensitive to changes in tone, or changes to a single instrument in the orchestra, and so on. So when the engine orchestra is slightly off note - I spot it quick, but to an average DIYer it may not be as obvious.
 
A few years back 6% of people polled said they could beat a grizzly bear in a hand to hand fight… and slightly more said they could beat an elephant… some people are just idiots and shouldn’t be listened to.
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