Fram Ultra XG7317 issue- cap no fit ?

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Vern_in_IL
Originally Posted by tomcat27
the black grippy coating on Fram filters makes them slightly larger - which renders some of the cap wrenches too small. I have the pliers, like above - but this is also another reason I use the Professional Fram filters - no coating. plus, the coating holds in heat.



Frams with the grippy coating are for HAND INSTALLATION ONLY. You are doing it wrong using a wrench. If that is a handicap for you, try another line of filters without the coating.


Some folks turning grip are not as strong as what's required, so the filter will not leak afterwards. It very-well may leak!
I add a quarter-turn with a wrench after hand-tightening and nobody will tell me I'm doing something wrong.

No sirreee!
As long as you can get it off to change it, it'll be OK. My issue is I always crank them on pretty tight by hand, and I'm not getting them off without a wrench-and the few times I try a cap style it strips right off. The band, strap and pliers always get it done for me, I haven't had to do a screwdriver impalement in quite a few years.

 

[Sayjac]

I've never had an issue getting the filter off with cap wrench on a filter I installed. Installation procedure always the same. Thin layer of oil on sealing gasket, tighten filter 2/3-3/4 turn after gasket contact. If I can't get that by hand, usually very close, take cap wrench just to snug check.

 

[JC1]

Originally Posted by DzoG20


I had the exactly same problem with Fram Ultra last month on both cars (different sizes). The cap tool used to work fine until then. I had to get one of the strap type wrenches


+1 on the strap wrenches. No need for a cap wrench that is one size specific.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

You should not be using one of them anyway. Hand-tighten only

 

[SirTanon]

Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
You should not be using one of them anyway. Hand-tighten only

Ding ding ding! If you tighten with a wrench, you're bound to put the filter on too tight, and then you're gonna have a real bad time trying to get it off.

I use my fingers only to tighten, as hard as I can grip, and then as tight as I can tighten with only my fingers. Never had a problem.

 

[PimTac]

I have never used a wrench to tighten a oil filter but I do consider that there are people who will do so for good reason. Arthritis or weak grip come to mind.

Consider all the possibilities before crucifying someone for using a wrench in this case.

 

[Mr Nice]

Hand tight is all you need.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I have never used any type of wrench to tighten an oil filter.
If I did, I would not use it to tighten any more than I would by hand.
I don't even twist very hard by hand; there is no reason to do so.
And I thank myself at the next service.

 

[Linctex]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en

Some folks turning grip are not as strong as what's required, so the filter will not leak afterwards. It very-well may leak!


I have never seen a hand-tightened oil filter leak in my whole entire life.

 

[RyanY]

Originally Posted by Linctex

I have never seen a hand-tightened oil filter leak in my whole entire life.

I only ever had one hand-tightened fliter leak. It was a PureOne in the Odyssey and had a very slow drip. I initially thought the problem was the rubber seal but I now suspect it was not tightened enough...I quit turning it when the can felt as if it would give way ([censored] thin metal). Never had this problem with a Fram Ultra, STP extrnded, or similar, where I can squeeze it hard and hand tighten as much as I want, with no worry of crushing it

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by RyanY
I only ever had one hand-tightened fliter leak. It was a PureOne in the Odyssey and had a very slow drip. I initially thought the problem was the rubber seal but I now suspect it was not tightened enough...I quit turning it when the can felt as if it would give way ([censored] thin metal). Never had this problem with a Fram Ultra, STP extrnded, or similar, where I can squeeze it hard and hand tighten as much as I want, with no worry of crushing it


I always try to always grasp the filter on the very end of the can when tightening ... that's the strongest most ridged part of the can.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted by PimTac
….Consider all the possibilities before crucifying someone for using a wrench in this case.
Yeah but it's so much more enjoyable to correct the OP while making oneself feel superior.

Whether the OP snugs the filter with the cap wrench or not, the point about his cap wrench not fitting would still be operative for removal. Which I thought was the main point. Perhaps I missed that one.

 

[rubberchicken]

Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
You should not be using one of them anyway. Hand-tighten only

Not using one to install, rather to remove- as clearly stated in my original message.

 

[rubberchicken]

Originally Posted by Vern_in_IL
Originally Posted by tomcat27
the black grippy coating on Fram filters makes them slightly larger - which renders some of the cap wrenches too small. I have the pliers, like above - but this is also another reason I use the Professional Fram filters - no coating. plus, the coating holds in heat.



Frams with the grippy coating are for HAND INSTALLATION ONLY. You are doing it wrong using a wrench. If that is a handicap for you, try another line of filters without the coating.


As I clearly stated in my original post, it was for filter removal, not installation

 

[rubberchicken]

OMG please- one person misreads my original message and comments, then everybody gangs on. Clearly as I stated it was for removal only.

On the non-slip paint- I like the idea. I think it makes for easy installation, and many times the filter can be removed only using the hands. But sometimes the filter is in an awkward area and one cannot get the proper grip to remove it, hence using a cap wrench or similar tool. I find that strap wrenches sometimes damage the filter during removal. It seems to me, after the filter has been on for a year, it requires 5x the force to remove it: probably the gasket gets hard, or slightly expands due to the heat exposure. My opinion is that if Fram is going to put on a non-slip paint that alters the outer dimensions of the filter can, then they should have adjusted the dimensions of the can so that existing cap wrenches will still fit. I bet if I sand off the non-slip paint, the outer dimensions of the can would be identical to other major brands. I should not need to buy special tools just to use Fram filters, or if my cap wrench fits a Fram it will be too loose for all the other brands. And at some point everybody will run into a Fram that will not come off without a cap wrench.

I have a tool similar to this, but even then it sometimes does not work because it cannot grip the can. Mine has knurled grip surface, not plastic feet. https://www.amazon.com/Shankly-Remo...mp;psc=1&refRID=DGWT436X5SRTE810HBHN

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by rubberchicken
I should not need to buy special tools just to use Fram filters, or if my cap wrench fits a Fram it will be too loose for all the other brands. And at some point everybody will run into a Fram that will not come off without a cap wrench.


Over the years I've probably bought a dozen different filter cap wrenches because every brand of filter for the same car is a little different. I've even seen the same exact filter brand and part number filter change the can design and had to go buy another cap wrench.

There's not really a "standard" when it comes to the can size and flute design on the end of the can. That's why there are literally dozens of different cap wrenches and many adjustible universal wrenches. I've been getting by with just hand tightening & removal lately.

 

[JHZR2]

Yes, OP, it is the anti slip on the textured filters. I have the OE Honda filter cap and it doesn't fit on textured filters. Works great on the rest.

You don't need a cap to tighten, and a three jaw will remove just fine...

 

[RyanY]

Walking through walmart right now and saw an xg7317 with an open box. Tried a few cap wrenches on it, and this one fit perfectly!

 

[rubberchicken]

Originally Posted by RyanY
Walking through walmart right now and saw an xg7317 with an open box. Tried a few cap wrenches on it, and this one fit perfectly!


yes, that looks like one of those high precision, Mil-spec close fitting filter cap wrenches

But this raises a good point: I checked a few websites such as Fram, Mobil 1 etc., and nobody lists the wrench cap specs required for specific parts. Other than physically inspecting each filter and cap, how does one obtain the required wrench cap ?

 

[Snagglefoot]

Re: But this raises a good point: I checked a few websites such as Fram, Mobil 1 etc., and nobody lists the wrench cap specs required for specific parts. Other than physically inspecting each filter and cap, how does one obtain the required wrench cap ?[/quote]

Or vice versa, like this