Fram Ultra 3 OCIs?

[FlyNavyP3]

If a new filter every OCI can prevent my death I'm all for it! Or was it the Fram Ultra for 3x OCI that did that, [censored] I'm comfused.

As to the question, I don't know if my OCD and habit of changing the filter every OCI could handle leaving the filter in place lol.

 

[53' Stude]

I'll run the XG-3614 on my 2011 Focus for 2 more 5k oci's and cut it and post here. It's designed for extended OCI's and I think Jay from FRAM would agree.

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
If a new filter every OCI can prevent my death I'm all for it! Or was it the Fram Ultra for 3x OCI that did that, [censored] I'm comfused.

As to the question, I don't know if my OCD and habit of changing the filter every OCI could handle leaving the filter in place lol.



Do you knowcrazyoildude? I think you were brothers in another life!

 

[FlyNavyP3]

Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
If a new filter every OCI can prevent my death I'm all for it! Or was it the Fram Ultra for 3x OCI that did that, [censored] I'm comfused.

As to the question, I don't know if my OCD and habit of changing the filter every OCI could handle leaving the filter in place lol.



Do you knowcrazyoildude? I think you were brothers in another life!


That's a bit harsh lol. I just wanted to add some humor. Also I don't have any FU in my stash. I do have a TON of $1.42 Rock Auto filters mostly CQ red and a few unknown filters that fit the same application as PH3614 Fram. For that price I'd have to run a Fram Ultra for 5-8 OCI. So I'll just stick to changing them every OCI until my stash runs out.

 

[Revving2Redline]

Found the last two XG7317 FU hiding at Walmart. Gonna change oil/filter Saturday and run 10k or 10-15% OlM on my 2015 Honda Civic SE with the 0w20 Castrol Edge before I go Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0w20. Hopefully Gena and Pennzoil will have sent my oil and analysis kit to me before I have to change over to PU. Before I was just going OE filter and changing only filter halfway through. I saved about .52 cents going this new route.

 

[09_GXP]

Originally Posted By: CT8
Filters can fail for the cost change the filter every oil change.


Here's an interesting thought experiment. When does filter failure occur? It is more likely due to an manufacturing defect that is present at the start or due to wear? If the failure is more likely to exist due to a manufacturing defect then running filters longer, therefore using fewer filters, will give a better chance at not encountering a damaged filter.

The counter argument is that if you do run into a damaged filter you are now running it for a longer period. While true, over the life of a vehicle you will run less miles with a damaged filter by changing less often.

It's probably fair to say that a filter with 15k is more likely to fail than a filter with 1k but without having any failure curves it gets hard to predict. Personally, I would imagine it is a small piece relative to the failures due to manufacturing defects.

 

[JerryBob]

Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
An argument against the extended use of an oil filter is an argument against the extended use of oil.

Again: There is exactly zero additional risk of using a filter for 15k miles with the same oil, or multiple changes. The filter and engine will see exactly the same action.

My E350 takes 13k miles to ding it's oil change. So I'm supposed to chewing my teeth off that my oil filter may have failed and just change it early just in case? Should I be going nuts that there's dirty oil in my engine for that long?

No logical argument can be made. Just irrational fear.






I am wary of people who deal in absolutes, whether it's politicians or bitog posters. How about, for example, your filter is clogged for whatever reason, and you're in permanent bypass mode?

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
An argument against the extended use of an oil filter is an argument against the extended use of oil.

Again: There is exactly zero additional risk of using a filter for 15k miles with the same oil, or multiple changes. The filter and engine will see exactly the same action.

My E350 takes 13k miles to ding it's oil change. So I'm supposed to chewing my teeth off that my oil filter may have failed and just change it early just in case? Should I be going nuts that there's dirty oil in my engine for that long?

No logical argument can be made. Just irrational fear.






I am wary of people who deal in absolutes, whether it's politicians or bitog posters. How about, for example, your filter is clogged for whatever reason, and you're in permanent bypass mode?


If we are playing "what ifs" then I would answer your question "that your motor will not blow up".

Whats the problem? Maybe, just maybe you will have one OCI without filtered oil(according to your scenario)-so your motor can't survive that?

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: JerryBob
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
An argument against the extended use of an oil filter is an argument against the extended use of oil.

Again: There is exactly zero additional risk of using a filter for 15k miles with the same oil, or multiple changes. The filter and engine will see exactly the same action.

My E350 takes 13k miles to ding it's oil change. So I'm supposed to chewing my teeth off that my oil filter may have failed and just change it early just in case? Should I be going nuts that there's dirty oil in my engine for that long?

No logical argument can be made. Just irrational fear.






I am wary of people who deal in absolutes, whether it's politicians or bitog posters. How about, for example, your filter is clogged for whatever reason, and you're in permanent bypass mode?


Personally, I can't see the filter getting clogged within the factory suggested OCI. This was never my take on the topic.

I do feel that his insinuated comparison with his over-sized sump 13k OCI BMW, which takes top tier A3/ B4 synthetic vs. my 5k dino Jeep was an apples to orange comparison. Telling a dino user that they are "anti extended OCI" while running a top tier A3/ B4 synthetic makes zero sense to me.

If you look at this thread, most folks that are pro 3x OCI'ing a filter run synthetic so at this point, explaining your thoughts with them is absolutely pointless.

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted By: tig1


Other than you are adding additional dirty oil to new oil. Why would you want to do that?


I have several vehicles that go 13-18k miles with 100% dirty oil. What's having more clean oil during that period going to harm the engine?

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted By: JerryBob

I am wary of people who deal in absolutes, whether it's politicians or bitog posters. How about, for example, your filter is clogged for whatever reason, and you're in permanent bypass mode?


Beating around the bush is another method used by politicians.

Are you seriously suggesting that a 1 year old vehicle with 22k miles on it is getting a clogged filter during a oil monitor OCI?

 

[DoubleWasp]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad

Personally, I can't see the filter getting clogged within the factory suggested OCI. This was never my take on the topic.

I do feel that his insinuated comparison with his over-sized sump 13k OCI BMW, which takes top tier A3/ B4 synthetic vs. my 5k dino Jeep was an apples to orange comparison. Telling a dino user that they are "anti extended OCI" while running a top tier A3/ B4 synthetic makes zero sense to me.

If you look at this thread, most folks that are pro 3x OCI'ing a filter run synthetic so at this point, explaining your thoughts with them is absolutely pointless.



You misunderstood the comparison entirely.

The point is that 3 OCI's at 15k miles and one OCI at 15k miles is the same filter experience.

A person says "I'm scared to death of running a filter for 15k miles" is in fact scared of an extended OCI, because doing an extended OCI involves the extended use of the filter.

My comparison addresses only to the people who have expressed anxiety over extended FCI's as a means of attacking those who do multiple OCI's.

And for the record, I did 19k miles, 2 OCI's using dino oil on a single Fram XG2 on a vehicles with well over 100k miles, 5.4 liters of displacement with a 6 quart sump. UOA's were better than that of many 5.4 3V trucks on a single filter, synthetic, and a 6500 mile OCI.

It has nothing at all to do with the oil being used, and everything to do with people attacking multiple OCI's on a single filter by making up a "problem" that millions of cars live with a daily basis. There is absolutely nothing abnormal, risky, dangerous, negligent, or foolhardy about running a filter for mileage around 15k.

I can't imagine what the filter-fear crew would do if they had to drive a commercial truck, where they have to dirty their drawers everyday watching the same filter on the engine for 20-35k miles.

 

[dlundblad]

You are right, I did misunderstand.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[goodtimes]

I change the Ultra or any filter each oil change, which is at 5K miles. I am not attacking anyone because I do this. One reason of several is I severely short trip most of the time and there is likely water in the oil. Mainly it's because that's how I want to do it. I don't care if another person never changes oil or filter, it's up to them.

 

[Ohle_Manezzini]

I believe that the loose paper fibers and normal dirt from the new filter media do more harm than leaving the old filter on.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Ohle_Manezzini
I believe that the loose paper fibers and normal dirt from the new filter media do more harm than leaving the old filter on.


You do? What kind of harm do some fibers cause and what kind of dirt do you think is in the filter?

And doesn't the filter remove its own "stuff", assuming there is some?

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: Ohle_Manezzini
I believe that the loose paper fibers and normal dirt from the new filter media do more harm than leaving the old filter on.
Good news is-there's no paper fibers in the new media, & at 99+% @ 20 microns, there's not going to be much dirt either.