Fram Extra Guard PH8A- cut open

[David1]

Originally Posted By: Donald
As previously mentioned, even the cheaply made Fram OCOD will get the job done. But there are better ones for not much more $$.


There are filters for the same $ as FRAM, Purolator Classic or even Motorcraft sell for abou the same $

and we all know Motorcraft makes a very good oil filter....

 

[David1]

Originally Posted By: stang5
This was off a 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser with 185k Miles.. This Filter was on for 5K miles (6 months). Filter looked great no damage or tears on the media. The adv was pliable and the casing was very thin and flimsy. There's no doubt this filter is cheaply made but it got the job done and it looked like it could easily handle another 5k....




I just dont trust the extra guard.... Yea I know some people say its fine for 3000 miles.
but what about start up protection.... I really like Motorcraft oil filters...
They use Silicone ADBV... Ford started to use Silicone back in the late 80s to stop the lifter noise at start up....

I had a FORD BRONCO II and when I used a FRAM Extra Gaurd when I started it up I would hear noise... but when I used Motorcraft oil filters I wouldnt hear anything.

this was years ago back when I thought FRAM was the best.

I was in High school.... Back then there was not many oil filters as there is today.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

The end caps blend in well with the card board.

 

[InvalidUserID]

Originally Posted By: cheesepuffs
I used to be biased against Fram because of the internet hype but I'm completely over it now. My next filter purchase will be a Fram.

Thanks for posting OP.


I'm in the same boat as you. I swore off Fram because of the whole cardboard deal but after some years, my stance has softened. We've never seen an outbreak of cars failing due to Fram filters, there's a ton of them out in service and the Fram testing video shed a lot of light on their R&D.

Granted, with sales and promos, you can find a better filter but for the money but for a lot of cars on the road, a Fram will do fine. And if you're squimish about the EG, there's always TG & FU.

 

[Clevy]

I've never had any fram hate. Every fram filter I cut open was free from any defects. I cannot say the same for the past 2 pure 1s I've cut open as I found tears in the media.
Bosch distance plus filters were also fine when cut open.
Never had a torn wix either,in napa gold trim that is.

 

[Sierra048]

My wife shamed me into going with her to Walmart this afternoon. So, I punished her by buying two Fram Tough Guards, one for each vehicle. Best thing about this whole experience is she bought them. What a deal.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: Mfrank84
My wife shamed me into going with her to Walmart this afternoon. So, I punished her by buying two Fram Tough Guards, one for each vehicle. Best thing about this whole experience is she bought them. What a deal.

Yeah, that 'is' a punishment.
I would have chosen FU's. That would have been a 'reward.'

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Mfrank84
My wife shamed me into going with her to Walmart this afternoon. So, I punished her by buying two Fram Tough Guards, one for each vehicle. Best thing about this whole experience is she bought them. What a deal.


If the wife was paying, should have went for the Ultras! ... isn't that what wives do with husbands, always going for the top of the line if hubby is buying.

 

[Sierra048]

Had I known she was paying at the time, I would have bought a Tough Guard and an Ultra for each car to really, really punish her.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Mfrank84
Had I known she was paying at the time, I would have bought a Tough Guard and an Ultra for each car to really, really punish her.


Plan might backfire if she was spending your money anyway.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Mfrank84
Had I known she was paying at the time, I would have bought a Tough Guard and an Ultra for each car to really, really punish her.


Plan might backfire if she was spending your money anyway.

Yeah, but he is suffering enough being he bought TG filters.

 

[Motorking]

Lets start by telling all that I work for FRAM. We can and do use less pleats in our filters because we buy the very best filter media available. By blending synthetic glass fibers with cellulose, you get higher efficiency and capacity with less pleats. Whenever you see a filter with alot of pleats, you can bet it is just plain old cellulose media. Around 80-85% efficiency compared to 96% for EG and 99% for TG and Ultra.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
Lets start by telling all that I work for FRAM. We can and do use less pleats in our filters because we buy the very best filter media available. By blending synthetic glass fibers with cellulose, you get higher efficiency and capacity with less pleats. Whenever you see a filter with alot of pleats, you can bet it is just plain old cellulose media. Around 80-85% efficiency compared to 96% for EG and 99% for TG and Ultra.
Jay-I'll give you guys credit that your media seems pretty durable-but at what micron rating are those numbers? 20 microns? I'm running the Ultras on a lot of newer vehicles with synthetic oil-I thought their rating was at a bigger particle size?

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: Motorking
Lets start by telling all that I work for FRAM. We can and do use less pleats in our filters because we buy the very best filter media available. By blending synthetic glass fibers with cellulose, you get higher efficiency and capacity with less pleats. Whenever you see a filter with alot of pleats, you can bet it is just plain old cellulose media. Around 80-85% efficiency compared to 96% for EG and 99% for TG and Ultra.

Will you explain why TG has more synthetic glass fibers than EG, it also has more pleats than EG ?

If having more synthetic content is enough to increase the filter efficiency(TG vs EG) then why have more pleats ?

 

[KCJeep]

I would guess to further extend the capacity as the TG is rated for double the OCI of the EG.

 

[Motorking]

Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Lets start by telling all that I work for FRAM. We can and do use less pleats in our filters because we buy the very best filter media available. By blending synthetic glass fibers with cellulose, you get higher efficiency and capacity with less pleats. Whenever you see a filter with alot of pleats, you can bet it is just plain old cellulose media. Around 80-85% efficiency compared to 96% for EG and 99% for TG and Ultra.
Jay-I'll give you guys credit that your media seems pretty durable-but at what micron rating are those numbers? 20 microns? I'm running the Ultras on a lot of newer vehicles with synthetic oil-I thought their rating was at a bigger particle size?


We use particles sizes of 5-20 microns when running the ISO 4548-12 tests. Our published efficiency is at 20 microns. GM did a study in the late 80's that clearly defined particle sizes in the 10-20 micron range do the most damage to engine bearings.

 

[Motorking]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Lets start by telling all that I work for FRAM. We can and do use less pleats in our filters because we buy the very best filter media available. By blending synthetic glass fibers with cellulose, you get higher efficiency and capacity with less pleats. Whenever you see a filter with alot of pleats, you can bet it is just plain old cellulose media. Around 80-85% efficiency compared to 96% for EG and 99% for TG and Ultra.

Will you explain why TG has more synthetic glass fibers than EG, it also has more pleats than EG ?

If having more synthetic content is enough to increase the filter efficiency(TG vs EG) then why have more pleats ?


Hi,
The TG has more glass media to get from the 95.7% efficiency of EG to the 99+% efficiency of the TG. The TG uses more pleats and a silicone ADV to get to its 10k OCI rating vs the 5K OCI rating of the EG.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Motorking

We use particles sizes of 5-20 microns when running the ISO 4548-12 tests. Our published efficiency is at 20 microns. GM did a study in the late 80's that clearly defined particle sizes in the 10-20 micron range do the most damage to engine bearings.


Jay - Fram shows the efficiency rating on their website for their oil filters as: ... "under ISO 4548-12 for particles > 20 microns."

I've argued here on BITOG before that essentially means particles @ 20 microns since a particle that is 20.01 micron in size is technically > 20 microns. Just curious why Fram doesn't use the statement @ 20 microns instead of > 20 microns?

I think the right answer is to say "for particles equal to and > 20 microns" just to be clear for some people reading the advertised spec that aren't that familiar with filter efficiency specs. Yeah, it's hair splitting, but sometimes the way it's written can be misinterpreted by non-technical people reading the spec.