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I've been using Amsoil for filters, recently discovering that Fram Endurance are identical, I have switched to those.
I have seen no evidence that any other consumer car filter filters better, and I don't see the importance of the spring issues. A filter is going to bypass sometimes, the majority of the oil is always going through the filter and if you have a high efficiency filter, there isn't going to be much floating around the engine anyway to be worried about bypassing the filter.
I ran a 2005 Toyota Corolla through its entire lifecycle, totaled at 330,000 miles, and still ran like new, on Amsoil and Amsoil filters (Fram Endurance) with only a single oil change per year, no matter the mileage, and averaging 24k miles per year.
When you want it to run for a long time, use the best stuff.
I have seen no evidence that any other consumer car filter filters better, and I don't see the importance of the spring issues. A filter is going to bypass sometimes, the majority of the oil is always going through the filter and if you have a high efficiency filter, there isn't going to be much floating around the engine anyway to be worried about bypassing the filter.
I ran a 2005 Toyota Corolla through its entire lifecycle, totaled at 330,000 miles, and still ran like new, on Amsoil and Amsoil filters (Fram Endurance) with only a single oil change per year, no matter the mileage, and averaging 24k miles per year.
When you want it to run for a long time, use the best stuff.
If you do your research, the manufacturing defect puts the Amsoil Ea15k’s or Fram Endurance (also Royal Purple) behind Premium Guard made oil filters at filtering the oil. It is worse in performance currently. Period.
So, despite your example, which is common on Toyotas to go 300k, it doesn’t prove anything actually. These issues developed during the pandemic. Hardly believe your 2005 was driven even close to the majority of its mileage / life on the more recently manufactured defective oil filters.
That said, Amsoil makes excellent lubricant, and I’m sure your vehicle would have lasted much longer. Unfortunately, this filtering defect is something Amsoil needs their supplier (Champ Labs) to fix. Also, the Fram Endurance appears to be discontinued by WalMart. It didn’t sell that well compared to the Ultra; which First Brands already ruined, and so will they even be sold anymore?
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BINGO!!
Not to “REHASH” an old topic, but there was a controlled test done several years on filtration of the Endurance and Fram filters by “Brand Ranks” and it came out on top. Many here disregard the test because it wasn’t determined whether or not the filter tested had the infamous “ruffled spring plate” defect. I’m not going to defend this testing one way or the other.
You decide. It’s still an interesting vid to watch.
For chits and giggles I grabbed a screen shot of the Ultra bypass spring plate and it appears “ruffled “ (top). It still placed 3rd overall, behind the Endurance (1st) and Boss(2nd).
Unfortunately, they didn’t provide a clear focus shot of the Endurance.(bottom)
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Wrong.
Just bought 4 there. Depends on store from what I hear, but on line it’s easily purchased.
You quoted a post from months ago. Appearances at the time proved to be first impressions upon the new Purolator replacing most of its shelf space. But, who really cares? It’s a genuinely flawed item not worth its price until fixed.
The Boss most likely placed where it did because the Frams were leaf spring ruffles leakers, bringing them down to the Boss level.
Ok
Then that begs the question….was the Endurance a “Ruffled Spring Leaf” as well? You would think so, given similarities in construction with the Ultra.
Fram Endurance was number one in filtering , not the Boss.
On top overall Filter comparisons
On bottom actual Fram Filter particle counts
Endurance far superior
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I didn't say the Boss ranked number 1 in the BR tests. We know the Boss has low official ISO 4548-12 efficiency. So what I'm saying is that if the Frams had leaky ruffled leaf springs then that could explain why the top 3 are the Endurance, Boss and Ultra. And the Royal Purple is similar to the Endurance (it ranked 4th), which also uses a leaf spring that could be ruffled (we've seen them posted here). So it's possible the Frams/Champ Lab made filters with internal leakage dropped down into the efficiency territory of the non-leaking Boss, which doesn't use a leaf spring that seals on the end cap like the Frams & RP. As mentioned many times, there's no logical way the Boss could rank that high given it's 99% >46u official ISO 4548-12 spec sheet from M+H.
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Let’s move on from the BOSS filter…it’s a “Red Herring “
Let’s cut to the chase here…
The Endurance is a top performer in actual filtration as evidenced in this testing.
Now, the entire argument predicated on how a “ruffled spring plate” comprises a bypass comes into question.
A compromised…”defective” bypass would primarily impact FILTRATION…correct?
Yet in this instance, we see SUPERIOR filtration, ruffles and ridges notwithstanding.
Is this design flawed? Probably. Can it be improved? Absolutely.
Is the Endurance still a superior filter given this “flaw” ? Absolutely.
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The BR test is only a relative ranking between them. It gives absolutely zero measure of the actual stand-alone efficiency of the filter like an official ISO 4548-12 test. Plus their efficiency ranking test methodology is questioned too for repeatability. Only thing I put some confidence in is their dP vs flow test data. The BR test gives no real filtering efficiency, only a relative ranking. You need an actual ISO 4548-12 test like what Ascent did, and as shown it the gigantic Ascent efficiency testing thread.
For some reason, people think the BR test is a true measure of a filter's efficiency. It's only a ranking ... just like their channel name indicates - "Brand Ranks".
I did calculations based on the leak gaps measured by @Glenda W. and came up with 15% leakage for the one measured. Not all may have the same sized leak gaps. You might have seen those threads. So that means if the filter is 99% @ 20u without an internal leak, then the leak would drop the efficiency down to 84% @ 20u. That still looks better than the 62% @ 20u Ascent got for the Boss and Wix XP.
If you think a leaky Endurance or the other potential ruffled leaf spring leakers are still "superior', then go for it ... it's your vehicle.
What does “Efficiency” mean? It’s particle filtration. There are actual particle counts in this test and Endurance was far superior to the rest of the Fram line, and even the Boss.
This isn’t just a “ranking story”….
It shows Endurance filters very well in spite of its bypass flaw. How can you spin that otherwise?
Multiple 99%@20 filters performed worse than the Boss(99%@46) on the BR particle count test. Also known identical filters performed differently. This could mean a few things.
1. Test is not accurate
2. The under performing filters were defective
3. Errors were made
I’ve said this in the multiple other threads. BR should have repeated his testing to confirm his results.
On another note, the QC at Last Brands continues to plummet. We’re seeing all kinds of issues besides the “ruffles”. Currently it’s a brand to stay away from IMO.
1. Test is not accurate
2. The under performing filters were defective
3. Errors were made
I’ve said this in the multiple other threads. BR should have repeated his testing to confirm his results.
On another note, the QC at Last Brands continues to plummet. We’re seeing all kinds of issues besides the “ruffles”. Currently it’s a brand to stay away from IMO.
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“Should have repeated his testing”
Lol “Haters Will Be Haters”
Link for latest QC on this filter at “Last Brands” ??
Here’s the latest vid on Endurance from Dec last year. He preferred BOSS, but it’s a detailed Cut Up.
Also a screen shot showing ruffles on bypass spring plate.
You Stated:
1. Test is not accurate
2. The under performing filters were defective
3. Errors were made
*Were RP NAPA and WIX all defective? They were also tested and compared as inferior.
*How was test “Not Accurate”?
*What errors were made?
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Here's a good shot of the leaf spring from the Royal Purple that BR tested ... ruffles. They didn't have a good shot of the Endurance filter they tested since they never focused on leaf springs. Both the Endurance and Royal Purple are Champ Labs built filters and basically have the same guts. Obviously the level of leaf spring ruffles can vary based on production factors. This RP leaf spring was leaking allowing some oil past the media due to this level of ruffles.
And that leaky RP had a PC close to the Boss. The WIX XP and NAPA Platinum are the same filter guts, and have a low ISO 4548-12 efficiency (50% @ 20u) like the Boss. This also tells me there was a testing anomaly someplace with the Boss because it should have come in closer to the WIX XP and NAPA Platinum based on their ISO efficiency specs.
And that leaky RP had a PC close to the Boss. The WIX XP and NAPA Platinum are the same filter guts, and have a low ISO 4548-12 efficiency (50% @ 20u) like the Boss. This also tells me there was a testing anomaly someplace with the Boss because it should have come in closer to the WIX XP and NAPA Platinum based on their ISO efficiency specs.
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Yep
I’ve maintained all Endurance (and RP Amsoil as well) have this same trait.
This certainly contributes to small gaps seen around the bypass. No arguments there. I continue to use this filter because I’m convinced it still a superior filter due to wire backed synthetic media which “trumps” any bypass leak. I still find the Brand Ranks testing results compelling….
others here vehemently disagree stating it’s not accurate or requires subsequent testing for validation.
Can the design be improved? Of course. But I’ll still take a Samurai Sword that needs a little sharpening over the rest.
^^^ Like said, if you think they are good then use it ... only you can make decisions to make yourself content base on whatever data or reasons involved - that goes for everyone. See my last post, I just added info to it.
My local Walmarts no longer sell the Endurance. The new Walmart exclusive is the Purolator 20k. I believe eventually the Endurance line will be removed from every Walmart, including online and be forgotten. It doesn’t make sense for Walmart to sell two exclusive oil filters IMO. The new Mobil 1 filter is the one to buy if shopping Walmart. Superior construction and QC.
Should be interesting to see the fate of Endurance.
So far no problems here in Las Vegas
From a year ago
Amsoil …KN …Mobil 1..Mann
Amsoil (Endurance Clone) and Endurance still on top
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