Fram CH9972 vs XG9972

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Extra Guard made in China, Ultra made in USA. Extra Guard have nitrile, Ultra has silicone gaskets. Both look fine, but the construction of the China made Extra Guard looks to be of better quality than the US made Ultra. That being said, I do use the Ultra in my daily Venza V6 AWD and will continue to do so unless I see an issue when pulling the filter housing for filter inspection between oil changes (8,000km OCI, 16,000km FCI).
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One O-ring, One OCI :ROFLMAO:

The Napa Platinum (Wix XP) is made in Poland is on sale in the US for $7.49. But the Platinum/XP and Ultra are really made for longer OCI's. Like 15k miles/25k km

I like the filters Mahle makes for this application. They're made in Austria
 
Extra Guard made in China, Ultra made in USA. Extra Guard have nitrile, Ultra has silicone gaskets. Both look fine, but the construction of the China made Extra Guard looks to be of better quality than the US made Ultra.
Curious on what you're seeing regarding the construction that makes you say that.
 
Curious on what you're seeing regarding the construction that makes you say that.
Well, seems to be quite evident thay the pleats are not uniform in spacing and angled in the US made Ultra in comparison to the China made Extra Guard.

Somewhat more a point of interest that has been raised countless times on this forum regarding offshore filters and the manufacturers inability to quality control the orientation of the pleats, therefore the filter is deemed as inferior to other manufacturers of preference.
 
Well, seems to be quite evident thay the pleats are not uniform in spacing and angled in the US made Ultra in comparison to the China made Extra Guard.

Somewhat more a point of interest that has been raised countless times on this forum regarding offshore filters and the manufacturers inability to quality control the orientation of the pleats, therefore the filter is deemed as inferior to other manufacturers of preference.
Uneven pleat spacing is really not a concern on wired backed full synthetic media. The pleats aren't going anywhere like they could on uneven cellulose media. Even spin-on wire backed synthetic media filters will have some uneven pleats. I certainly wouldn't say the pleat spacing is any reason to be concerned about unless it's on non-synthetic media where it could cause tearing, like seen in may Purolator filters.
 
Uneven pleat spacing is really not a concern on wired backed full synthetic media. The pleats aren't going anywhere like they could on uneven cellulose media. Even spin-on wire backed synthetic media filters will have some uneven pleats. I certainly wouldn't say the pleat spacing is any reason to be concerned about unless it's on non-synthetic media where it could cause tearing, like seen in may Purolator filters.
I am aware regarding wire backed media in comparison to cellulose based media. Essentially my point is more related to quality control. The same level of quality that is expected from a cellulose based media regarding pleats and spacing should be the same for a synthetic media which has a wire backing to enhance structural integrity. Would you not agree? Or should wire backed synthetic media be oriented in whatever manner as long as it fits within the end caps and thus be deemed acceptable?
 
I am aware regarding wire backed media in comparison to cellulose based media. Essentially my point is more related to quality control. The same level of quality that is expected from a cellulose based media regarding pleats and spacing should be the same for a synthetic media which has a wire backing to enhance structural integrity. Would you not agree? Or should wire backed synthetic media be oriented in whatever manner as long as it fits within the end caps and thus be deemed acceptable?
Looking at the particular Ultra you got (and based on many other photos of Ultras), IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with the pleat spacing. It wouldn't deter me from buying any wire backed full synthetic filter just because it didn't have perfect pleat spacing or alignment. It's pretty much the nature of the beast.

But if someone is concerned about how pleats look, then that's their prerogative to decide if that's some important buying parameter. Only time I'd be concerned is as mentioned on cellulose media with big wide pleat spacing (typically at the seam).
 
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Looking at the particular Ultra you got (and based on many other photos of Ultras), IMO there is absoutely nothing wrong with the pleat spacing. It wouldn't deter me from buying any wire backed full synthetic filter what didn't have perfect pleat spacing or alignment. It's pretty much the nature of the beast.
I never said I wouldn't use the Ultra, rather I said they are my go to filter. In fact, they are my preferred filter in all non-European applications. My major point of interest was: if it can be done on their "lower end" filters, then it should be able to be applied to their "high end" filters. There really should be no free pass. We can agree to disagree regarding the spacing and angle of the pleating.
 
I never said I wouldn't use the Ultra, rather I said they are my go to filter. In fact, they are my preferred filter in all non-European applications. My major point of interest was: if it can be done on their "lower end" filters, then it should be able to be applied to their "high end" filters. There really should be no free pass. We can agree to disagree regarding the spacing and angle of the pleating.
Maybe it's just not that easy to do with the wire backed media. It is what it is ... and it doesn't impact performance or reliability in any way. Not something that I would consider "bad quality".
 
Maybe it's just not that easy to do with the wire backed media. It is what it is ... and it doesn't impact performance or reliability in any way. Not something that I would consider "bad quality".
Maybe it is as easy, maybe it is not. A larger sample across various manufacturers from varying manufacturing regions would enlighten that question with quantitative and qualitative data.

Now, I never said the Ultra was of "bad quality." I said that the quality of the Extra Guard appeared to be better. And after clarifying my statement as it pertains to the quality control between these two specific filters manufactured by the same parent company, I stand by my statement in regards to the care applied in maintaining the orientation and proper geometry of the media between the two filters, not whether one filter is "bad" or "good." I will leave it at that.
 
Maybe it's just not that easy to do with the wire backed media. It is what it is ... and it doesn't impact performance or reliability in any way. Not something that I would consider "bad quality".

i think this is the answer. I’ve noticed most of the cartridge filters generally have much better pleat spacing than comparable spin ons.
Likely just due to manufacturing methods.
 


Hit about 3:03-3:04 in this video and you'll see why the pleats at the seam are always messed up.

I do wonder if there are different sizes of this machine though, because some are typically worse than others.
 
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