Need quality oil filter for Honda 3.5 V6

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Chris B.

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I have been using WIX/Napa Gold 7356 for years on my 2012 V6 Accord with great results and UOA reports. Now that both the WIX and Mann Hummel made filter are now made in China and cutting corners I need to find a good replacement. The Honda A02 is questionable and lots of reports its junk so I want to avoid that. I think the Honda by pass valve spec is 13-14psi. I also can't find the oil flow rates for this engine. The WIX was 7-9 gallons per minute and I think that was what the A02 was.
I was looking for a USA made filters and I found the Super Tech 6607 but cant find the specs for oil flow and by pass valve PSI. The Mobil 1 M1-110A looked good but only flows 5GPM and has a Nitrile ADBV and for the price it should be silicone. Not a Fram fan either. Seems like they make too much junk and I'm seeing lots of problems on the net reading reviews. Its all very frustrating trying to find a prefect match! Any suggestions? Thanks guys!
 
If you want to spend a lot of money you could always get Amsoil or RP, but the budget filters work just fine. My Hondas have used Fram orange cans, Fram XP, ACDelco, Purolator One, Champ, Champ XL, STP, STP XL, and Honda A02, and they all worked very well. I recently switched to Ecogard since I bought a pile of them at sale price, and they also work very well.
 
Honda 15400-PCX-004 (old stock)
Honda 15400-PCX-306 (new version)

This is the filter for the Honda S2000. Just make sure you torque it correctly, not a hand tight thing. Directions are on the filter itself with I think 7/8 turn after contact or 16-18 ft/lbs. Honda had a filter cap for the -004 that has a cutout in it. Some reading said it doesn't quite fit the new -306 version.

The S2000 had a 9k RPM redline and regular filters didn't stay torqued leading to backing off, sprayed oil, fires.

That filter fits on my '19 Pilot 3.5 V6. It does NOT fit on my '17 Accord 2.4L or daughters '08 CRV 2.4L. The filter diameter is too large to fit in the cutout area. Same scenario for Fram 7317 vs 9688. You can type in all 3 number son Fram website. Doesn't list flow but does list bypass and sizes. The 7317 is about 1/2" longer than the 6607.

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/s2000-modifications-parts-193/oem-honda-oil-filter-vs-non-oem-1214235/
 
Depends on how long you're pushing an OCI. if just doing regular 5k oci's, go to Advance auto parts and ask for the Carquest Premium 84356, Premium guard XL built. For longer OCI's go with a Fram Endurance FE7317.

The premoum guard XL based filters come out of service looking like new.
The Fram Endurance filters are the same filter as the Royal Purple/Amsoil all built by champion labs. 99%+ @ 20um
 
Just to mention - there has been one problem with the A02. Believe it or not it's the cellophane wrapper.
If the wrapper is removed carelessly, a piece can end up blocking oil flow to a part in the engine.
That's what happened here.

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I've used Mobil 1 oil filters for the past 85k~ miles. No issues. The first 2 or 3 oil changes were free when we brought the car. So, OEM oil filter was used at the time. Since then, I've been doing oil changes myself(or paying $15 labor at work and having a tech change it) every 5k~ miles. No issues. Car is sitting at 115k miles
 
Mechanician said:
Just to mention - there has been one problem with the A02. Believe it or not it's the cellophane wrapper.
If the wrapper is removed carelessly, a piece can end up blocking oil flow to a part in the engine.
That's what happened here.

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Interesting. Bummer.

Thats a problem with the user though, not the filter.

The Ao2 will work just fine for the 20K Honda expects it to stay on the vehicle in best case circumstances.

It is sufficient, but certainly not premium.
 
Chris B. said:
I have been using WIX/Napa Gold 7356 for years on my 2012 V6 Accord with great results and UOA reports. Now that both the WIX and Mann Hummel made filter are now made in China and cutting corners I need to find a good replacement. The Honda A02 is questionable and lots of reports its junk so I want to avoid that. I think the Honda by pass valve spec is 13-14psi. I also can't find the oil flow rates for this engine. The WIX was 7-9 gallons per minute and I think that was what the A02 was.
I was looking for a USA made filters and I found the Super Tech 6607 but cant find the specs for oil flow and by pass valve PSI. The Mobil 1 M1-110A looked good but only flows 5GPM and has a Nitrile ADBV and for the price it should be silicone. Not a Fram fan either. Seems like they make too much junk and I'm seeing lots of problems on the net reading reviews. Its all very frustrating trying to find a prefect match! Any suggestions? Thanks guys!
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I feel your pain. Given this is the basic filter spec that is applied to most all: mazda, mitsubishi, mercruiser outboards, nissan/infiniti, acura/honda, subaru, Hyundai/Kia spin on canisters you would expect a plethora of choice, but recent movements in the industry have removed many good actors on the scene. Most recent was the Supertech (champ) MP line. Then the good wix numbers got hit.

I would look around to real local parts stores/suppliers that have WIX inventory and try to grab some USA parts before they are gone.

Mazda doesn't fool around, I would pay the asking price for this (wix direct cross to 57356):

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Wix 57356
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kschachn said:
Definitely. The same careless idiot person who did that could do the same thing to a Toyota or any vehicle that uses a wrapped Denso filter.
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Agreed.
Honda came out with a notice to it's dealers, warning of removing the wrapper by poking your finger in the center hole.
Stating "don't do this, if you do we will not pay for it."
Many asked why they didn't change the packaging, - the notice was cheaper, and easier.
That photo was posted last week in the Honda / Acura tech forum on FB.
The guy who posted it was cleaning up after a lube tech.
Poorly trained lube techs still make the mistake. It's kind of intuitive to poke a hole there, to get it off.
 
Chris B. said:
I have been using WIX/Napa Gold 7356 for years on my 2012 V6 Accord with great results and UOA reports. Now that both the WIX and Mann Hummel made filter are now made in China and cutting corners I need to find a good replacement. The Honda A02 is questionable and lots of reports its junk so I want to avoid that. I think the Honda by pass valve spec is 13-14psi. I also can't find the oil flow rates for this engine. The WIX was 7-9 gallons per minute and I think that was what the A02 was.
I was looking for a USA made filters and I found the Super Tech 6607 but cant find the specs for oil flow and by pass valve PSI. The Mobil 1 M1-110A looked good but only flows 5GPM and has a Nitrile ADBV and for the price it should be silicone. Not a Fram fan either. Seems like they make too much junk and I'm seeing lots of problems on the net reading reviews. Its all very frustrating trying to find a prefect match! Any suggestions? Thanks guys!
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How do you know they are cutting corners?. Bcs. Made in China?
I used Fram and OE Honda on 3.5 V6. $6 for OE in dealership. Works like any oil filter.
 
Like this 'made in china' Nissan filter that destroyed the engine in my new 2014 Versa Note. Poor thing never had a chance. Cost me thousands in a trade at the selling Nissan dealer. I think I posted this at least 10 times over the years to get the point across, LOL

Looks o.k. on a quick glance, but can you spot what is wrong here? >

nissan filter.JPG
 
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I use the Honda filters for 2 5K OCIs. Synthetic oil. Engines last a long time.
I've used plenty of Fram XG7317 and M1 110A filters as well. All good.
 
Chris B. said:
M1-110A looked good but only flows 5GPM
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There's no standard definition for oil filter "flow ratings". Filter companies often seem to just quote the flow rate that the filter was tested at in the ISO efficiency test, which is a lot lower than the flow rate that would cause the filter to bypass. They can't be compared between manufacturers.

That Mobil 1 filter will flow far more than 5 GPM without bypassing. A dP test on a Mobil 1 M1-102A measured 6.2 psi at 10 GPM, which is better than the average filter of this size. It's unlikely that your engine would flow more than 10 GPM.

The PurolatorOne PL14610 is another good option, with low restriction and a 14 psi bypass setting. Both the Mobil and Purolator filters are pretty efficient as well.

A Mazda filter made by Tokyo Roki with a ~14 psi bypass would also be a good option. Most of them are made in Japan and those are the ones you want to use.

I wouldn't use the S2000 filter, since it would have a high bypass setting. The risk here is that if the filter clogs, it could cause a much larger drop in oil pressure.
 
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