I see quite a few sprintcar engines using a very large Fram filter. Are these a special racing filter of of better build quality?
Fram bashers?
- Thread starter 2000sunfire
- Start date
- Status
RE: VW Diesels
These engines put out 200PSI of oil pressure in cold temperatures. VW, Mann, and Kraehl (Maehl??) filters are recommended. I pay 18$CDN for VW filters instead of getting Fram filters. I know a guy who's seen too many of them pop in cold temperatures.
Also, when I worked at an oil change place one of my tasks was puncturing oil filters to get them to drain a bit better. The Pennzoil filters were paper thin and it was very easy to poke a hole in them.
Cheers, Steve
These engines put out 200PSI of oil pressure in cold temperatures. VW, Mann, and Kraehl (Maehl??) filters are recommended. I pay 18$CDN for VW filters instead of getting Fram filters. I know a guy who's seen too many of them pop in cold temperatures.
Also, when I worked at an oil change place one of my tasks was puncturing oil filters to get them to drain a bit better. The Pennzoil filters were paper thin and it was very easy to poke a hole in them.
Cheers, Steve
Is that 200psi oil pressure verified with an aftermarket gauge or a rumour?
Does the engine or filter have a bypass for those cold starts/thickoil/highpressure?
Does the oil pump have its own PSI bypass to prevent damage to itself or other engine components?
The only filters that I've seen fail are ones that are dented prior to or during an installation.
If these idiot quicklube gorillas, backyard wannabe mechanics, or so-called experienced circus clowns, install a damaged filter or damage a filter during the installation, sh!t happens.
Thick strong case oil filters seem to be a bandaid for pathetic technicians.
Does the engine or filter have a bypass for those cold starts/thickoil/highpressure?
Does the oil pump have its own PSI bypass to prevent damage to itself or other engine components?
The only filters that I've seen fail are ones that are dented prior to or during an installation.
If these idiot quicklube gorillas, backyard wannabe mechanics, or so-called experienced circus clowns, install a damaged filter or damage a filter during the installation, sh!t happens.
Thick strong case oil filters seem to be a bandaid for pathetic technicians.
The "Fram Bashers" title puzzles me. Why is anyone who calls a POS a POS called a basher these days?
Seems to be common these days. Same thing happens on another board I hang out at, if you dare to question a certain individual and his policies in the organization, you are labeled as a basher or as launching a personal attack against the beloved individual, and his supporters will pile on to anyone who dares to speak against the person's policies; kind of like the Borg did in the Star Trek shows -- so we call them Borgs whenever they appear to defend their beloved leader.
I was told that fram makes some very high flowing, not as good at filtering, filters for racing so you can get that ever so slight edge by freeing up that tiny percentage of horsepower taken by the oil pump having to work harder to pump oil through a more restrictive filter.
Racing filters are freer flowing not to free up HP but because dirty oil is better than not enough, and in a racing application they figure on frequent changes so how dirty could it really get. They are more trying to take out the major stuff figuring the fine stuff that gets through will be drained soon.
What's unfair about calling a POS a POS? Why try to whitewash a turd? Hey, if the shoe fits.....
Fram is in charge of their own destiny. They could make better filters if they wanted. Their X2 is decent but overpriced. You can get an M1 or K&N for the price of an X2. If the X2 was selling for half what it goes for now, they might sell a lot more. The rest of Fram's oil filters are junk. As long as Fram continues to peddle junk, they'll feel the heat.
Fram is in charge of their own destiny. They could make better filters if they wanted. Their X2 is decent but overpriced. You can get an M1 or K&N for the price of an X2. If the X2 was selling for half what it goes for now, they might sell a lot more. The rest of Fram's oil filters are junk. As long as Fram continues to peddle junk, they'll feel the heat.
Tremo,
It doesn't appear as though Fram has felt any "heat" - they've been peddling those junky Extra Guards for yrs now despite the fact that word of mouth is now Pentium powered.
It doesn't appear as though Fram has felt any "heat" - they've been peddling those junky Extra Guards for yrs now despite the fact that word of mouth is now Pentium powered.
Sad but true. They are number one in sales and the orange wall of death keeps getting longer in the stores.
"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."
H. L. Mencken
US editor (1880 - 1956)
Do you think Mencken was a consultant for Fram?
Is it possible that part of Fram's success is the rough texture on the end of the filter that makes it so easy to grip and turn? We had a '97 Cavalier that had the spin-on filter in a really hard to reach spot on the back of the engine. The Fram made oil filter changes MUCH simpler.
No kidding. Look who just won reelection. Jeez.
Mike: Were you using the short or long filter? You had a choice between one the size of a pop can or one half that length. The long one was easy to work with regardless of how much grit it had on (once you removed the splash guard). Well, back on my 1988 anyway. I think the engines are the same but now with a bit bigger displacement.
Steve
Steve
Yeah, all the way to the friggin' bank... You actually think Honeywell gives a flyin' fig about more-or-less 5000 hacksaw wielding wannabe "experts"' collective opinion when the company has a virtual lock on aftermarket filter sales percentage-wise? Wise up. Whatever issues you think you have with the company, or it's products' alleged defects, they do work, they do meet OEM warranty requirements, and engines are not failing wholesale in the field - thin cans, cardboard endcaps, ADBVs, and all.
Food for thought, "experts": one classic engineering dictum stresses that the most elegant solution is the simplest one that does the job.
I was picking up a Supertech filter at Walmart and had a wisen old crusty fellow espouse the Fram filter. I told him the construction was inferior but he told the story about some Nascar driver who threw away his Purolator and grabbed a Fram 10 years ago in the middle of a race and won. Ergo the problem. The Fram *was* the best filter a decade ago, but change of corporate hands ...
You can't possible be talking about Fram, since leaky ADB valves are common and failed filter media and glued joints aren't unheard of. Not a problem for Fram though, because the vast majority of those failures go completely unnoticed by car owners, those that are caught usually don't cause any obvious wear or damage.
The fact that most Fram failures (yes, a leaky ADB valve is a failure) don't immediately or obviously shorten an engines life, doesn't make it an elegant engineering exercise.
Low end Champion filters are elegant engineering solutions, Frams are elegant marketing solutions.
[ January 01, 2005, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: XS650 ]
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked