Four People Die Trapped in Burning Tesla

[JeffKeryk]

That’s the point here “training” shouldn’t be needed.

Are you kidding? Training is a critical component for safe machinery operation.

 

[alarmguy]

Are you kidding? Training is a critical component for safe machinery operation.

Does Tesla train you when you pick up their cars?

 

[4WD]

Does Tesla train you when you pick up their cars?

Good question - just searched trapped in Tesla and found several trapped in the severe heat - and that glass roof can’t possibly help matters

 

[oil pan 4]

I myself encourage friends to go electric. It guarantee's plenty of cheap gasoline for my 6 and 8 cylinder vehicles.

Not a expert but seems the issue with electric vehicles is battery location. A hard impact from any area can cause it to ignite with intense flames that are hard to extinguish. On a side note my home insurer, NJM, said they would not insure us if we kept a electric car in the garage because the garage is in the basement below a living area.

Another problem that Tesla seems to have but Nissan doesn't.
No one's been able to crash a Nissan leaf hard enough to make the battery catch on fire.

 

[oil pan 4]

An escape hammer will not shatter laminated glass, but I was thinking of keeping a standard 16 or 20 oz hammer.

Since the manual release doesn't get used all the time I was also thinking of having a monthly check for it. Checking every month that all doors will release.

I was also thinking about fire extinguisher, but from the sound of it, it sounds like lithium battery fires cannot be easily extinguished.

I was thinking use a 9mm hammer.

 

[4WD]

I really don't know how MANY times it has to be pointed that human brain does not work the way Tesla engineers envisioned and apparently still cannot learn that.
It is ALL about repetition! In the case of an emergency like fire in the vehicle, passengers are not trained fighter pilots to know where ejection pull or backup is. And even then, many of them don't react appropriately, although they have practiced for years. I almost lost a friend in the fighter jet because of that.
The door handle is universal. It is not a "bunch of stuff" I don't know about. I bet you do know how to open the door in Lexi because the door handle in Lexi is pretty much similar to the one in VW GTI, Toyota Sienna, FIAT 500, or Ferrari. On other hand, if you don't know every feature Apple CarPlay has, I bet it won't matter in case of fire.
This is reinventing the wheel. Itb would be better if they put classic door handles and invested more money in suspension.

Yep:
At the heart of human performance is making it hard to get wrong …

 

[Torrid]

How does that work on laminated glass? I would think laminated is less desirable on the side windows. I know cars can have it on side windows.

What vehicles have it on the side? As far as I can tell mine are just standard double paned.

 

[Torrid]

I think a lot of the people feel like they're going to be forced down the EV route they don't want to go down and Tesla were the first manufacturer to sell a half-decent EV.

I dislike EV's, but only because I love internal combustion engines. I find them characterful and I like maintaining them. However, for a lot of people who don't cover great miles and/or don't care about the mechanics or the driving experience then they are ideal.

I’m a huge car guy and for some reason EVs simplicity really appeals to me. Definitely different strokes for different folks.

I still love internal combustion. That’ll never change.

 

[eljefino]

What vehicles have it on the side? As far as I can tell mine are just standard double paned.

My Prius has it on the front doors. They support the side air bags. One can tell because if you roll the glass halfway down you see basically two sheets of glass glued together with a little ridge down the middle. Owners manual says if you have an emergency egress hammer, pop the rear door glass or the hatchback.

 

[Torrid]

My Prius has it on the front doors. They support the side air bags. One can tell because if you roll the glass halfway down you see basically two sheets of glass glued together with a little ridge down the middle. Owners manual says if you have an emergency egress hammer, pop the rear door glass or the hatchback.

Pretty sure the two glued together glass pieces are just standard double paned glass that many companies are using for sound reduction. That’s what my car has.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Are you kidding? Training is a critical component for safe machinery operation.

I haven’t needed any instruction in any car to get out of it, it’s common sense, Tesla being the exception because of 2x complication.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Does Tesla train you when you pick up their cars?

Yes, if you want. Same with Lexus and our old Acura. The problem is, you have to be somewhat familiar with a product to ask questions. You don't know what you don't know.

Plus new cars are exciting; you are having too much fun to want to be trained.
If anyone is interested in a Tesla, I highly suggest going to a Tesla store and get an overview. The team is very helpful and will take as much time as you want.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I haven’t needed any instruction in any car to get out of it, it’s common sense, Tesla being the exception because of 2x complication.

You miss the point. Not every one is as well versed as you. Teslas are different; I have said that a million times. They are not for everyone.
In my experience, younger people take to the cars naturally; they grew up with computers.

 

[Vercingetorix]

You miss the point. Not every one is as well versed as you. Teslas are different; I have said that a million times. They are not for everyone.
In my experience, younger people take to the cars naturally; they grew up with computers.

No I think you are. Everybody pulls one door handle to get out. Everybody. Adding a second one for emergency use is ridiculous. Engineering should always be for the end user, not what’s convenient for the engineer.

 

[ecotourist]

Is the constant defense of Tesla about brand loyalty as an owner or being an owner of the stock?

Excellent question. I own a Tesla which I like very much. I don't like to see poorly informed comments going unanswered.

I don't own Tesla stock (and probably never will) and I'm not a fan of Elon Musk either.

The unspoken other side of that question is what are the constant attacks on Tesla about?

 

[edyvw]

Yes, if you want. Same with Lexus and our old Acura. The problem is, you have to be somewhat familiar with a product to ask questions. You don't know what you don't know.

Plus new cars are exciting; you are having too much fun to want to be trained.
If anyone is interested in a Tesla, I highly suggest going to a Tesla store and get an overview. The team is very helpful and will take as much time as you want.

Lexus and Acura train how to open the door? I must go to dealership to witness that.

 

[edyvw]

No I think you are. Everybody pulls one door handle to get out. Everybody. Adding a second one for emergency use is ridiculous. Engineering should always be for the end user, not what’s convenient for the engineer.

What is missing here is that door handle is first and foremost safety item. And they managed to mess it up.

 

[Torrid]

What I find interesting is the whole lot of opinion from people who don't own Teslas. It's not that difficult, especially for someone who would be a member here which would mean they're a lot better versed on vehicle function than the average person. At this point it's just being intentionally obtuse.

What is missing here is that door handle is first and foremost safety item. And they managed to mess it up.

I showed everybody here where it is located. I even posted a picture. It's better located and designed than GM's electronic latch system. It doesn't require pulling a lever on the floor like GM did. I'd do a demonstration video if that helped, but I just picked up my car from getting the windows tinted and I'd prefer not to jack up the tint rolling the window down a bit to line the seal up after using the manual latch.

 

[Torrid]

Excellent question. I own a Tesla which I like very much. I don't like to see poorly informed comments going unanswered.

I don't own Tesla stock (and probably never will) and I'm not a fan of Elon Musk either.

The unspoken other side of that question is what are the constant attacks on Tesla about?

Irrational anger. The source? Politics.

 

[alarmguy]

Yes, if you want. Same with Lexus and our old Acura. The problem is, you have to be somewhat familiar with a product to ask questions. You don't know what you don't know.

Plus new cars are exciting; you are having too much fun to want to be trained.
If anyone is interested in a Tesla, I highly suggest going to a Tesla store and get an overview. The team is very helpful and will take as much time as you want.

I was just replying to your statement that you said people need to be trained

“JeffKeryk said:
Are you kidding? Training is a critical component for safe machinery operation.“

Instead, now you’re saying you have to ask to be trained
So if you have to be familiar with a product, I don’t know if you could call that proper
training
Just having fun here with your words in response to another in here