Four People Die Trapped in Burning Tesla

[edyvw]

Good grief these cars cause some anger. I have friends that I'm apparently not friends with anymore after posting my new car on Facebook.

The things you're all complaining about aren't even true if you honestly got in the car and looked at it. The correct response was name calling, insults, and incendiary comments though. Good show.



You're better than this.

For some here any solution that is controversial is progress.
These two things have been technologically separated 75 years, and yet they have the same solution when it comes to exiting the airplane in case of emergency. One packs far more technology than any driver will see for a long time:

And answer to this ridiculous issue is: have you seen the stock price?

 

[alarmguy]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news.../texas-man-dog-die-trapped-corvette/71053474/

NINE YEARS AGO

 

[alarmguy]

Good grief these cars cause some anger. I have friends that I'm apparently not friends with anymore after posting my new car on Facebook.

The things you're all complaining about aren't even true if you honestly got in the car and looked at it. The correct response was name calling, insults, and incendiary comments though. Good show.

Politics causes an anger for some.
I do think if electric vehicles were left to stand on their own footing without forcing out gasoline vehicles you would not have some of the passionate hate toward electric vehicles
It’s not just about the $11,000 giveaway to electric vehicles, it’s the EPA hammer coming down on gasoline, forcing manufactures to install a smaller engines and stop start features that are hard to disable
Plus the threat, of course, to eliminate the sale of gasoline vehicles

I’ve said many times I’m not against electric vehicles, but for many they are pricey for what you get and at the other end of the spectrum outside forces (no politics) on a multifaceted front against gasoline vehicles can be irritating

I’m just explaining as an observer I’m still not convinced which way we may go (EV or Gas) when time to replace our second car

Just this morning, I was considering a 2024 Volkswagen Tiguan for my wife No-brainer at 0% finance it’s just the fact that the dealer is so far away from us. I’m talking like up to a 35 minute drive.
Another contender maybe 2025 Bolt or Trailblazer
A LOT of things going on in my life right now maybe one day I’ll post about it. So just because I talk doesn’t mean I’m going to buy anytime soon. Then much like you sometimes you’re just in the right place at the right time and you go for it.

I suspect if Volkswagen had the business model of Tesla right now, I would order it this morning. But the prospect of driving 35 minutes to be abused at a Volkswagen car dealership is not something very enticing.
Almost everything I purchase is online because I hate dealing with sales people

 

[Fair enough]

There is a mechanical release on all 4 doors of my Model 3. You're not supposed to use it for routine exits but owners and drivers should know about it.

I also have a shoulder harness cutting and window breaking tool in the center console of every car I own. Can't do more than that. [Could stay home I suppose.]

How does that work on laminated glass? I would think laminated is less desirable on the side windows. I know cars can have it on side windows.

 

[Fair enough]

Is the constant defense of Tesla about brand loyalty as an owner or being an owner of the stock?

 

[oil pan 4]

Another "pontification thread/anti EV thread" -"there is a manual release as stated. Until the investigation is complete-we do not know.

You can google "fiery crash over the weekend" and many of those have resulted in deaths as well.

Just anti Tesla.
As far as I know something like this has never happened with a Nissan leaf. Points being I don't know of one that's crashed and immediately caught fire and when a Nissan crashes the doors don't stop working just because they're electronic.

 

[edyvw]

Just anti Tesla.
As far as I know something like this has never happened with a Nissan leaf. Points being I don't know of one that's crashed and immediately caught fire and when a Nissan crashes the doors don't stop working just because they're electronic.

There are a lot of dumb designs and engineering solutions. Just because such epitome of engineering like Leaf has it, doesn’t mean it should be copied.
There are a lot of manufacturers that copy dumb solutions from Tesla, and actually make it worse. They also should not do it. It is trend. This is where regulations matter. This is why of all regulations that EU doesn’t need, one that they recently passed about physical buttons in vehicles is actually spot on.

 

[oil pan 4]

There are a lot of dumb designs and engineering solutions. Just because such epitome of engineering like Leaf has it, doesn’t mean it should be copied.
There are a lot of manufacturers that copy dumb solutions from Tesla, and actually make it worse. They also should not do it. It is trend. This is where regulations matter. This is why of all regulations that EU doesn’t need, one that they recently passed about physical buttons in vehicles is actually spot on.

The leaf has normally located mechanical door openers like every car made for about the last 25 years. The battery is constructed like a fuel tank and is tucked up under the car and protected by the body of the car like a fuel tank is.
Seems like good ideas to me.
New isn't always better.

 

[Fair enough]

Getting real, it was about making the interior sleek by not so smart designers who didn’t think people in a panic wouldn’t find the nearly invisible in a panic mechanical release. Same goes for other cars mostly in the past who tried to put the door handle in the arm rest or make it weird somewhere. Just for style, no thinking beyond.

 

[edyvw]

The leaf has normally located mechanical door openers like every car made for about the last 25 years. The battery is constructed like a fuel tank and is tucked up under the car and protected by the body of the car like a fuel tank is.
Seems like good ideas to me.
New isn't always better.

Sorry, I misread your post.
These kind of “solutions “ are mostly driven by cost cutting (hence huge iPad inside) and marketing gimmicks.
Making something that is proven to look stylish and expensive is really not big deal. Rolls Royce is doing it forever. I recently rented BMW X7 that has every part feeling and looking more expensive than you will find in any Tesla.
It is cheap, but we will sell you as “new,” “progressive.” Tesla is not first company that did this nor last one.

 

[edyvw]

Getting real, it was about making the interior sleek by not so smart designers who didn’t think people in a panic wouldn’t find the nearly invisible in a panic mechanical release. Same goes for other cars mostly in the past who tried to put the door handle in the arm rest or make it weird somewhere. Just for style, no thinking beyond.

Absolutely. Usually companies drop that after some time. In Tesla bunch of “tech bros” still tries to prove that they know better while half of them doesn’t have DL, and those that do, hate driving.

 

[eljefino]

I know that adding more tech to something to overcome or correct a situation usually doesn't work well in practice, but one thing that could be done here is that when the air bags go off, the doors get a signal (at the same time that the airbags go off) to unlock or even open say 10 or 20 seconds later. Maybe that means you have to have a hi-capacity cap in the door module so it has some power during / after a collision to remain functional during that time. Or maybe the windows come down automatically, or both. I know it won't help every crash situation, like when the door frame is jammed.

At the very least, the doors should unlock, the exterior handles should allow rescuers to open the doors. I have pretty much zero knowledge of Teslas, but I think I heard that the exterior handles are also motorized / not normally accessible?

Car accidents in all types of modern passenger vehicles, is way more survivable today, it's sad that self-extrication in Teslas seems to be a problem.

This is common-- doors unlock and hazard lights come on after the airbags go off on a lot of cars.

I wouldn't want the doors opening automatically-- what if there's a mass pile-up on the interstate in fog or snow, you want the shell of the car protecting you.

Tesla has other quirks in the driving interface, but the driver has chosen to buy or drive the car so they should be briefed on its operation. Having to use the touch screen to turn on the wipers is a weird one-- what if an oncoming vehicle splashes you with mud/ snow and you can't see. This latch thing is a higher level problem because of the "innocent" passengers. The hate doesn't seem to be that it's electric, it's that it's unconventional.

 

[cptbarkey]

Where is our Ralph Nader for Tesla? How many folks are going to immolate because of what others think is a "cool" feature(s).

 

[CarlB]

NINE YEARS AGO

That's the point. Bad egress training existed before the electric car.

 

[Vercingetorix]

That's the point. Bad egress training existed before the electric car.

That’s the point here “training” shouldn’t be needed.

 

[Frankrank]

I myself encourage friends to go electric. It guarantee's plenty of cheap gasoline for my 6 and 8 cylinder vehicles.

Not a expert but seems the issue with electric vehicles is battery location. A hard impact from any area can cause it to ignite with intense flames that are hard to extinguish. On a side note my home insurer, NJM, said they would not insure us if we kept a electric car in the garage because the garage is in the basement below a living area.

 

[CarlB]

That’s the point here “training” shouldn’t be needed.

Somehow most of the corvette boomers have managed.

 

[Ws6]

I think a lot of the people feel like they're going to be forced down the EV route they don't want to go down and Tesla were the first manufacturer to sell a half-decent EV.

I dislike EV's, but only because I love internal combustion engines. I find them characterful and I like maintaining them. However, for a lot of people who don't cover great miles and/or don't care about the mechanics or the driving experience then they are ideal.

I drive 30k miles per year and have always enjoyed sports cars. EV's are the next step up.

 

[camrydriver111]

Hammers are almost worthless with laminated glass - and Tesla does it standard on their cars, AFAIK. Else, if you order laminated glass as an option, it’s only on the front doors and not the back doors/backlight. There’s exception to the rules.

An escape hammer will not shatter laminated glass, but I was thinking of keeping a standard 16 or 20 oz hammer.

Since the manual release doesn't get used all the time I was also thinking of having a monthly check for it. Checking every month that all doors will release.

I was also thinking about fire extinguisher, but from the sound of it, it sounds like lithium battery fires cannot be easily extinguished.

 

[JeffKeryk]

This is common-- doors unlock and hazard lights come on after the airbags go off on a lot of cars.

I wouldn't want the doors opening automatically-- what if there's a mass pile-up on the interstate in fog or snow, you want the shell of the car protecting you.

Tesla has other quirks in the driving interface, but the driver has chosen to buy or drive the car so they should be briefed on its operation. Having to use the touch screen to turn on the wipers is a weird one-- what if an oncoming vehicle splashes you with mud/ snow and you can't see. This latch thing is a higher level problem because of the "innocent" passengers. The hate doesn't seem to be that it's electric, it's that it's unconventional.

Wipers button is on the steering wheel. Plus they are automatic.