Found in NC: SuperTech 0w-16!

[Ngamtns]

For what it's worth the 0w16 Mobil sells is not for use in the 2018-2020 Camry per Mobil because it isn't doesn't have the API RC designation. PP 0w16 does have RC subcategory. Resource conserving. I doubt it makes a lick of difference to be honest though. I have one of the 2019 Camrys with 2k miles and prefer M1, but have contemplated using PP, TGMO or maybe M1 will have the designation by the time I get to 5k when I plan to change for first time. Or I might just use it anyways. It has a variable oil pump or something like that that is supposed to work with the 0w16 better. Manual says if 0w20 is used it MUST be changed within 5k miles (on a 10k OCI) with 0w16. I think people accusing Toyota (and other) oems of "it just getting them past 60k" are totally wrong, as if cars started developing engine problems at 80k or so, would put a company out of business. I'm sure cafe has something to do with it, but 0w16 and other thin oils use much higher quality base stocks and modifiers.

 

[Revving2Redline]

I cringe on the idea of 0w16. Ravenol makes a 5w16 and that's too thin for me. Makes the 20wt's seem thick.

 

[aquariuscsm]

10W30 is my "thin" oil

 

[bbhero]

Originally Posted by PandaBear
Originally Posted by bbhero
Would you truly trust a 0w16 in a mountainous area with a lot of long fairly steep grades?? Would you trust it to keep a motor from experiencing part failures in a motor well outside of warranty?? Like 150k miles plus... Or trust in a TGDI motor that dilutes the oil a fair amount??

These are scenarios I would wonder about...

Having said that... There have been examples shown that this grade of oil is noted to be extremely well formulated. That this oil grade is quite a special oil in terms of what is made from in terms of additives and base oils.

I have read where NASCAR teams were running a 0w oil for qualifying runs... Though it certainly was not run on the race day.



I would trust it in any car that spec for it (that means the car has a variable volume oil pump) in any driving condition. The variable pump will pump more oil as needed to offset the low viscosity.

I would not trust it in any car that doesn't spec for it, even in the Arctic in winter, if it doesn't have the right engine / oil pump for it.

NASCAR can spec whatever they want, and use whatever they want, it has nothing to do with street car engine that spec another oil.

One thing I might do for experiment is to blend it with some 5w40 oil that I got for free to make it close to 0w20.



I made the NASCAR reference due to the fact the teams were using 0w oils for speed.... Not for motor longevity. . However... It is impressive that those teams ran a 0w oil in qualifying in their 30-50k dollar motors back then...

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Why not just run 0w20 then?


Why not 5w20, 0w30, 5w30, 10w30, 0w40, 5w40, 15w40?

The manufacturer tested it with warranty to back it up, plus some safety margin. The whole point of variable volume oil pump is to reduce the need for thick oil or too much oil.

 

[Luftmasse]

Originally Posted by Astro_Guy
Originally Posted by Marco620
Originally Posted by Astro_Guy
We have 0w-16 in both Mobil1 AFE and Supertech here in my local Walmart. Some vehicles such as the 2019 Toyota Camry are spec'd for 0W-16. If you dig into this a little further you will find that the Japanese have been running 0w-16 for a decade now.
AND if you look further down the rabbit hole you will see all these cars aren't loaded up with tons of miles either. I could buy JDM spec DOHC vtec engines with low miles for cheap. They dont allow all that high mileage stuff over there so they sell it over here. At a certain mileage/age parameter set by the "man" they have a inspection that is so rigerous that its not worth keeping it. I'd like to see some of these 16 and 12w's survive a 18 year old in Japan where the best aftermarket parts are made. Especially with boost! I dont think or know of any 0w20 that is HTO-6 spec'd but if there is which there could be...I dont see a 0w16 surviving 10k oci with DI and Forced Induction going 200k or more. I dont see it going even 100k after people add bigger exhausts and various HP/TQ increase parts. To even make a 16 remotely feasible it would need a 5 qt capacity and a oil cooler to get high mileage on one. Someone on this forum has stated they use oil wt recommended overseas for same car. Unless I live in Hinton,Alberta or Yellowknife I would do the same thing he is.
I hope I am wrong and 16W makes it but I doubt in my lifetime it will be as mainstream as 5w30.
I think that I both agree and disagree with the various points you are making. Keeping it simple, I think that something as sedate as a Toyota Camry will probably do just fine using 0w-16 on American roads for 200k miles. Boosted vehicles, turbos, direct injection or turbocharged direct injection? 5w-30 sounds better to me under those circumstances. Presently I am off the reservation, testing 5w-30 M1 EP in my son's 2016 Accord with the 2.4 liter Earth Dreams DI engine that is spec'd for 0w-20. We should have 10k on that oil by mid November.

OTOH - there is this 2017 Prius V, not in my signature for lack of personal work on it, that I am tempted to try a 0w-16 in...


You are from PA, does it get very hot? Does it burns a significant amount of oil. Why would you want to put 5w-30?

 

[AC1DD]

Seems like a good all around go to for weight is 0w-30....

Again the only reason my mfrs are speccing 0w16 or 0w-20 is because of US gov't CAFE regulations...if you see the same engines in use in the ROW in similar climates
you see something like 0w-30 or 5w-30. If ROW is calling for those you know it's in your best interests to use them over things forced in mfrs by US CAFE.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted by Marco620
.Its carried me almost 260,000 miles in less than four years.


I'd argue that the ton of highway necessary to go 260k in four years is more the cause of any apparent success than any oil selection or belief in using non ethanol fuel has done.

 

[DirectRejection]

Originally Posted by JHZR2
Originally Posted by Marco620
.Its carried me almost 260,000 miles in less than four years.


I'd argue that the ton of highway necessary to go 260k in four years is more the cause of any apparent success than any oil selection or belief in using non ethanol fuel has done.


I found this to be very true.

Highest VI 0W20 was used in a vehicle spec'd for 5W30.
80% highway miles.
Driven 250+ miles every day.
UOA's showed that my driving was very easy on motor oil,
in spite of the thin grade.
Wear numbers were in the normal range.

The only issue was that when extending OCI's beyond say 15-17k miles,
oxidative thickening became an issue.
It was not just that the viscosity became undesirably thick,
but also that the indicated changes in chemistry had to be effecting wear
and depleting the add pack completely.