Forget about changing your own oil in new Ford Ranger

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Originally Posted by dblshock
Ford will sell a ton of Taco's with this stunt.




Does anybody other than forum members here on BITOG think this is going to appreciably affect sales? The buying public doesn't ask about oil filter and/oil plug accessibility when purchasing a vehicle.

And we know the vast majority don't change their own oil. This thread is a blast!

They will sell a ton of these things.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
The point of this discussion is about the DIY in the driveway weekend warrior. Most don't have impact wrenches and the removal of the tire precludes using ramps.

^^^^ This

I have access to my dad's garage about 20 miles away to do it but in my driveway there is no garage and I can't imagine rolling out a jack in the snow to jack it up and take the tire off to do a freaking oil change and it not like I could just use ramps either. Sorry they bunged this one up and any DIY-er would steer clear of this in that case.

Those that go to the quick lube place where they fail to put back plastic push pins, or damage them, or leave the cover partially flapping as a result or off entirely will soon realize because water/snow/ice/sleet and other road debris kicked up by the tire will start to get into the engine compartment and cause problems down the road. Tire busters and oil change tech's could care less. This will lead to dissatisfaction with Ford for such a stupid design.
 
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To the apologists:

Where is the value in defending a practice of engineering something that's more complicated than it should be?
Who cares if it's "not that bad". The point is it doesn't need to be that way at all. For an oil change, all you should have to do is unscrew the filter and drainplug. Anything more than that is unnecessary and stupid. You know its stupid. Why defend stupid?
 
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Originally Posted by kawie_guy
To the apologists:

Where is the value in defending a practice of engineering something that's more complicated than it should be?
Who cares if it's "not that bad". The point is it doesn't need to be that way at all. For an oil change, all you should have to do is unscrew the filter and drainplug. Anything more than that is unnecessary and stupid. You know its stupid. Why defend stupid?

Oh, the engineers could've made it simple like you described. They just decided to go out of their way to make it harder, just to annoy you.
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I'm sure if it was so easy to make them more accessible, they would've made it so. Sometimes parts can't be easily relocated and compromises have to be made. Pick just about any vehicle ever made and there's guaranteed to be some component that's a huge pain in the butt to replace, whereas the same component on another vehicle is super easy to replace. See the "What engines are the hardest to change spark plugs" thread over in the Mechanical/Maintenance forum. You'll find plenty of examples of a "regular maintenance item that any DIYer should be able to easily do" that's more difficult than other vehicles.
 
I have never seen so much whining about something that may be done 1-3 times a year on average. That may take an additional 10 minutes. I am not going to buy said truck because I lose 30 minutes a year changing the oil. That Taco is such a better truck (rolls eyes and bangs head trying to get into Taco).
 
Well I guess we know who hits the clickbait articles...

No one with a lick of sense is going to not buy a truck that otherwise suits them because it takes an extra few minutes to change the oil...

Just more BITOG hand wringing...
 
Originally Posted by kawie_guy
To the apologists:

Where is the value in defending a practice of engineering something that's more complicated than it should be?
Who cares if it's "not that bad". The point is it doesn't need to be that way at all. For an oil change, all you should have to do is unscrew the filter and drainplug. Anything more than that is unnecessary and stupid. You know its stupid. Why defend stupid?


How is this worse than removing an underbelly pan or 2 as on other vehicles from all makes? Again, at 10k OCI's you should be rotating the tires anyway so you should already have the wheels off. And if not I'd bet you can simply crank the wheel for access.

We also don't know if the "report" is accurate or not as nobody here has serviced a Ranger.
 
Originally Posted by itguy08
kawie_guy said:
nobody here has serviced a Ranger.


As mentioned previously, I have done many Rangers, although the 5 cyl diesel, it looks to be very much the same. Cartridge filter, easier to get at than some I've done, remove 2 bolts, loosen 2 more, remove cover and drain oil. How anyone could find this unsurmountably difficult is hard to believe.
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I remember on my 2000 Mitsubishi Montero Sport, I had to remove two steel shields to expose the sump and filter. A total of eleven bolts. Yes it was a pain especially the large shield. I took care to wipe the bolt threads in used oil to keep rust at bay. Eventually at a dealer service I had them change the oil while they did everything else. Four bolts ended up missing in action.

I replaced those bolts and kept an eye on things every time it was dealer serviced. I can imagine some push pull rivets getting lost her and the wheel well cover flapping a bit. I can also see that wheel getting scratched up with the repetitive off and on for the changes.

The less manipulation on anything is always a better route. There was a recent thread on the GovMo Impala mentioning that the whole front fascia of the car had to be removed to change the headlight.

The design could be better and it should be better.
 
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I still think taking off the wheel to change oil on a Ranger is dumb. If you can just turn it, ok, but still a little dumb.

I guess what was really dumb was doing such a good job 25 years ago. I plan on changing out FL1As by hand for a while.
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Originally Posted by itguy08
Originally Posted by kawie_guy
To the apologists:

Where is the value in defending a practice of engineering something that's more complicated than it should be?
Who cares if it's "not that bad". The point is it doesn't need to be that way at all. For an oil change, all you should have to do is unscrew the filter and drainplug. Anything more than that is unnecessary and stupid. You know its stupid. Why defend stupid?


How is this worse than removing an underbelly pan or 2 as on other vehicles from all makes? Again, at 10k OCI's you should be rotating the tires anyway so you should already have the wheels off. And if not I'd bet you can simply crank the wheel for access.

We also don't know if the "report" is accurate or not as nobody here has serviced a Ranger.


I wouldn't doubt that's the way Ford designed it. I've helped my uncle change his oil on his '99 F150 a couple times. The driver's side tire is supposed to be removed, but if you're skinny enough, you can turn it and just barely squeeze by it. But then the oil filter is jammed up in there so far that we had to basically build a wrench to fit it. Then there's the drain slide that's supposed to put the oil in the drain bucket, but it actually just aims it all over everything under there instead. Great design. Yeah. Brilliant Ford engineering there. Only on internet forums would people argue that isn't stupid. (Roll eyes)

And by the way, I've owned four trucks in my lifetime. All of them required nothing more than unscrewing the drainplug, and unscrewing a filter with a standard $5 wrench from Autozone. Two of them actually had remote filters that I didn't even have to get under the truck to unscrew. Loved it.
 
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Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Well I guess we know who hits the clickbait articles...

No one with a lick of sense is going to not buy a truck that otherwise suits them because it takes an extra few minutes to change the oil...

Just more BITOG hand wringing...


No one with a lick of sense is going to argue that something stupid and more complicated is better than the alternative.
Will it dissuade someone from buying a Ranger if that's what they want? Of course not. But then that was never the point anyone was trying to make.
 
Originally Posted by wemay
Here's an article on it...


Good I hope more are written so they get negative press and this puts pressure on the dummies to not do stupid things like this in future when it's NOT NEEDED AND JUST PLAIN STUPID.
 
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My 1985 Ranger was easy to change the oil on. I'm guessing pretty much everything was easy to work on in that truck as it was in the shop countless times.

I fired that truck.


Times have changed.
 
Originally Posted by dblshock
instant deal killer.


Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
I had a vague interest in a Ranger crew cab with a short bed if it would fit in my garage, but I probably won't bother looking into it after seeing this thread...


Originally Posted by wemay
Originally Posted by dblshock
instant deal killer.


If that procedure is accurate... This^


Originally Posted by NormanBuntz
Originally Posted by dblshock
instant deal killer.


It sure would be for me!


Originally Posted by fcjeep
Originally Posted by dblshock
instant deal killer.

Me too!!


Originally Posted by dlundblad
Originally Posted by dblshock
instant deal killer.


x2

Nope nope nope...


Originally Posted by kawie_guy
Originally Posted by dlundblad
Originally Posted by dblshock
instant deal killer.


x2

Nope nope nope...



X3.
Ford has been famous for doing some real headscratchers from an engineering standpoint over the years.
This is just another example. Having to undo anything besides a filter and a drain plug is asinine.


Originally Posted by JLTD
Originally Posted by dblshock
instant deal killer.


1000% correct.

Next vehicle.....


Originally Posted by cjcride
Originally Posted by dblshock
instant deal killer.

Exactly


Originally Posted by kawie_guy
Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Well I guess we know who hits the clickbait articles...

No one with a lick of sense is going to not buy a truck that otherwise suits them because it takes an extra few minutes to change the oil...

Just more BITOG hand wringing...


No one with a lick of sense is going to argue that something stupid and more complicated is better than the alternative.
Will it dissuade someone from buying a Ranger if that's what they want? Of course not. But then that was never the point anyone was trying to make.


Yeah that was never a point anyone was trying to make...

I'm not saying it is better, I'm just saying it is a non-issue...
 
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Thanks wemay for posting autoblog screenshot. Wow, stupid design. And I thought the folks that designed the oil filter location on the 1.6L Ecoboost Escapes should be taken out behind the woodshed. Having to take off the wheel, easily tops that one. Didn't Ford have a campaign once, "a better idea"? This not one of them. And as I take my vehicles to DT for rotation and balance to maintain tire warranty, simultaneous diy would be a moot point.
 
10 yrs. from now, after the shine is off a '19 Ranger it will still require a $200 OCI, forget that.
 
I agree; it's stupid, but minor in the scheme of things. I wouldn't like it but since i do my own work I'd just do a tire rotation at the same time. which I have to wonder if most "smart" owners would just do at the same time, or a smart shop. Roll the two costs into one and then it's not nearly as big of a deal.
 
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