Ford quality chief retires as CEO tries to boost reliability, reduce recalls

That study says nothing about these batteries lasting longer than ICE drivetrains. Battery charge retention is not the same as battery failure or reliability rates.

Battery charge retention compares more to engine compression retention, as this directly correlates to mileage one can do on either one charge or one tank of gas.
Engines are comparable to motors, not batteries. I would love to see any data you have on battery life. People lump all EVs together and make statements based on zero data. I don't do this with ICE vehicles or EVs.

EVs are different and as a mass produced product are in their infancy. I happen to believe they will get better. And our car, a 2018 Tesla Model 3, is an amazing car and is different at the same time.
 
Engines are comparable to motors, not batteries. I would love to see any data you have on battery life. People lump all EVs together and make statements based on zero data. I don't do this with ICE vehicles or EVs.

EVs are different and as a mass produced product are in their infancy. I happen to believe they will get better. And our car, a 2018 Tesla Model 3, is an amazing car and is different at the same time.
I’m not arguing against EVs, just pointing out the fallacy with comparing electric motors to engines, claims how much simpler the electric motors are and thus how superior, while ignoring the complexity of the battery.

But if you want to go that route, then let’s compare a battery to a gas tank. I don’t think we need a study to show how infinitely more simple and reliable the gas tank is.

I would love to see data not on battery life, but battery reliability and durability. That is something not being asked in a lot of cases. Everyone focuses on battery life only.
 
I’ve never once in my life ever heard of having to replace a timing “chain” on a vehicle till Ford’s 5.0 V8s.
 
I’m not arguing against EVs, just pointing out the fallacy with comparing electric motors to engines, claims how much simpler the electric motors are and thus how superior, while ignoring the complexity of the battery.

But if you want to go that route, then let’s compare a battery to a gas tank. I don’t think we need a study to show how infinitely more simple and reliable the gas tank is.

I would love to see data not on battery life, but battery reliability and durability. That is something not being asked in a lot of cases. Everyone focuses on battery life only.
I agree with battery vs gas tank. But I am not sure who is ignoring battery complexity, cost or problems. I'm not.
ICE and EVs both have benefits and weaknesses.
 
Comparing software to mechanical assemblies is, well, not really applicable. My forecast program is running in many countries by many hundreds of of users for over 20 years. No worn out parts and no oil changes.

Regarding moving parts, which lasts longer, a V8 Chevy engine or a Tesla drive motor? Hint: It ain't even close.
True they are different, but you are missing my point. I'm sure your software works well in multiple countries because of the quality of work that went into it (testing, etc) before it was just sent out as a final product. This is the problem these car manufacturers are having, lack of quality control. Lack of quality control, testing, etc in software = lots of bugs and glitches.
 
The real bashing should be this.... If you were a near total failure at your job, would you expect or get a golden parachute retirement or the door againts your back side as security escorts you off the property? Oh and its not just FORD. Quality concerns seem to be the new norm for many
companies these days.
That's the contract they signed, it's agreed upon before a so called qualified person accepts the position.
 
I’ve never once in my life ever heard of having to replace a timing “chain” on a vehicle till Ford’s 5.0 V8s.
Replacing timing chains has always been a thing on high mileage engines, but it used to be a very simple job most of the time. The 3 chain setup in my 97 Explorer is completely ridiculous, they may as well have designed a new engine, but the thing runs great at 238k miles. I am sure it had the update done earlier in it's life, and the previous owner took very good care of it.

Timing belts are the same way. It used to be a simple job you could have done same day with no appointment. I remember going somewhere with my Mom in our 1986 Ranger 2.3 sometime in the late 90s. The timing belt broke and she pulled over, called a tow truck on her Motorola with the pull up antenna, then a cab, and we went home. Maybe 5 hours later the truck was ready to be picked up from the shop.
 
Replacing timing chains has always been a thing on high mileage engines, but it used to be a very simple job most of the time. The 3 chain setup in my 97 Explorer is completely ridiculous, they may as well have designed a new engine, but the thing runs great at 238k miles. I am sure it had the update done earlier in it's life, and the previous owner took very good care of it.

Timing belts are the same way. It used to be a simple job you could have done same day with no appointment. I remember going somewhere with my Mom in our 1986 Ranger 2.3 sometime in the late 90s. The timing belt broke and she pulled over, called a tow truck on her Motorola with the pull up antenna, then a cab, and we went home. Maybe 5 hours later the truck was ready to be picked up from the shop.
Oh you are right. There are nearly ZERO jobs these days you can have done anyplace "same day." Most of it is the new insane designs I think they started doing on purpose to lessen the amount of guys who could avoid the dealer's service shop thru DIY. Come on! Some cars in the 90s were made where you actually had to remove a front tire to change or service the battery. Another reason you can't get "same day" service is almost all shop are under staffed and constantly looking for workers to hire. Some of it does have to do with poor service managers or shop policy
that causes it. There is a good shop near me that is managed very efficient. Its a shame others do not operate similar. He has the mechanical work / repairs scheduled YET he has tire guys on hand for tires only. So if even when he has a full shop of repair going on, he still can attend to your tire jobs ASAP and get you out in time.
 
Full disclosure, I think everyone here knows what I do for a living. That being said the quality has gone downhill like crazy. Some of the repairs we are having to do on vehicles due to either not being built correctly, or just poor parts is embarrassing. Plus the parts backorder situation is obscene. Numerous parts on backorder that have no business ever being more than overnight availability.
Amen. When I was in parts at a Peterbilt dealer some of the most basic stuff was back ordered. One big campaign I was involved with was chassis harnesses rubbing on sharp edges that they should’ve never touched from the factory. That was a $3500 harness IIRC that we did several a week under warranty. Then the fix was Kevlar wear pads taped around it where it was rubbing instead of reroute the harness. About 2 weeks into that the Kevlar pads went on national back order and the only way to get on the list was a truck down order.
 
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