Ford quality chief retires as CEO tries to boost reliability, reduce recalls

It's eye opening over on the B6G forum, what a total POS the new Bronco is. I've never seen a new vehicle that's more unreliable and it's just not QC issues, it's systemic design flaws as well.
The new Bronco upsets me a lot. My default vehicle is small body on frame Ford SUVs. I have owned four body on frame Explorers, still own two of them. I have owned three Rangers on top of that, still have one. I was so excited about these trucks, but I feel like I would spend a lot of money just to be disappointed and regret my decision.
 
I just called local Toyota dealership parts department and asked for Corolla CVT FE fluid. It comes in a 4L metal container and is stupid expensive at like $130. Parts guy said all fluids are on backorder and lead time is 2 to 3 weeks, or longer.

My friend's 2014 Corolla is gonna get Lubegard Universal CVT fluid, 5 qt jug, $60 delivered from Amazon.

The Asian market loves those metal containers. I'm guessing the fluid is imported from there.

If the reason for the backorder is shipping, then I feel like it's not a valid excuse.

Dealers sell this in Japan for under $40USD so there's a huge profit margin when it's being sold here for $130.

You could have it shipped via FedEx from Japan and get it cheaper/faster. That's not right..
 
A key issue is the supply chain and Ford is in the same boat as everyone else.
Evidence suggests that Asian based manufacturers have more supply chain issues. Presumably this is due to their extreme JIT practices and/or their reliance on China for parts. My speculation is that the US based manufacturers are more reliant on parts made in Mexico which are more available.
 
Its only going to get worse as suppliers switch production from ICE vehicle parts to the more profitable EV parts.
How is that possible when EV's only comprise less than 2% of the total vehicles on the road?

Plus all we hear about is how totally reliable EV's are. Because much like a Glock, there are only 34 parts in the entire vehicle.
 
How is that possible when EV's only comprise less than 2% of the total vehicles on the road?

Plus all we hear about is how totally reliable EV's are. Because much like a Glock, there are only 34 parts in the entire vehicle.
Currently they are 2% but production is being ramped up on EV's and when supply is tight on ICE vehicle parts any pivot towards different parts will be disruptive. Not sure where you got the news on EV reliability, that aint what I am hearing. Even Mary Barra had her fancy new Hummer break down on her.
 
Currently they are 2% but production is being ramped up on EV's and when supply is tight on ICE vehicle parts any pivot towards different parts will be disruptive. Not sure where you got the news on EV reliability, that aint what I am hearing. Even Mary Barra had her fancy new Hummer break down on her.
I was just being sarcastic. EV's breakdown at a VERY high rate considering how few moving parts they contain.
 
The bean counters are probably responsible for their fair share of the problems too. Cut costs, cut costs!!!
Most definitely but this reminds me of the techs on FB bashing the quick lube guys after they let a vehicle drive off with no oil - these may be minimally trained kids making minimum wage and not full techs but EVERYONE looks bad when it happens. The bean counters may be out of control and the reason for many issues but as the consumer, I don't give a crap whose fault it is - EVERYONE looks bad!
 
I was just being sarcastic. EV's breakdown at a VERY high rate considering how few moving parts they contain.
I have said for years that there needs to be a special font for "sarcasm" maybe something like Elon Musks new "parody" tweets
 
I was just being sarcastic. EV's breakdown at a VERY high rate considering how few moving parts they contain.
I think lumping all EVs into one group is like saying "ICE cars breakdown at a VERY high rate considering how few moving parts they contain."
Of course if you have some data, that would help.
 
Gotta just love a company that's okay with it's engineers designing it's V-6 engines with water pumps on the inside and next to timing chains etc. Nothing like keeping the service department employed.
And starters under the intake manifold. I know Toyota is famous for it, but I think other manufacturers did it too. None of them seem to care about reparability and have not for decades.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with the number of moving parts, it is the build quality, which has taken a back seat to profits across the board for pretty much every company. The idea that EVs will be less problematic because of less moving parts sounds nice, but working in the IT field I can tell you that if these companies program software like they screw together interior panels the outcome will be the same if not worse. You won't have a huge number of mechanical things failing, but there will be a lot of restarting the car because of glitches. Not to mention the issues many EV owners are facing with the charging systems not working. Tesla's network and home chargers seem to be the best as of now.

The corporate mentality as a whole is what needs to change, number of moving parts isn't the issue. You have companies that still are unwilling to produce a clothes dryer that will last more than 3 years.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with the number of moving parts, it is the build quality, which has taken a back seat to profits across the board for pretty much every company. The idea that EVs will be less problematic because of less moving parts sounds nice, but working in the IT field I can tell you that if these companies program software like they screw together interior panels the outcome will be the same if not worse. You won't have a huge number of mechanical things failing, but there will be a lot of restarting the car because of glitches. Not to mention the issues many EV owners are facing with the charging systems not working. Tesla's network and home chargers seem to be the best as of now.

The corporate mentality as a whole is what needs to change, number of moving parts isn't the issue. You have companies that still are unwilling to produce a clothes dryer that will last more than 3 years.
Comparing software to mechanical assemblies is, well, not really applicable. My forecast program is running in many countries by many hundreds of of users for over 20 years. No worn out parts and no oil changes.

Regarding moving parts, which lasts longer, a V8 Chevy engine or a Tesla drive motor? Hint: It ain't even close.
 
The complication simply moved from the “engine” to the “tank”.
This is it exactly. The battery is the big problem with these things. They're complex, expensive, and dangerous. And no one really knows how many "fill ups" they can handle before they crap out. My guess not as many as that same Chevy V-8. And I doubt it goes any further on one.... If as far.

Just in a little electric scooter, the battery cost is an estimated 40+% of the value of the entire vehicle. EV's are not much different.
 
The complication in electric cars is not the electric motor, but the battery. Most of you seem to think that electric cars have a larger version of a smartphone battery or some other household appliance. It’s a very complex system that has many subsystems.

The complication simply moved from the “engine” to the “tank”.
Yes, and so far the Tesla drivetrains, including batteries, are lasting longer than ICE drivetrains.
Real life study on Tesla battery degredation.
This is it exactly. The battery is the big problem with these things. They're complex, expensive, and dangerous. And no one really knows how many "fill ups" they can handle before they crap out. My guess not as many as that same Chevy V-8. And I doubt it goes any further on one.... If as far.

Just in a little electric scooter, the battery cost is an estimated 40+% of the value of the entire vehicle. EV's are not much different.
It is early, but so far studies show otherwise.
Capacity retention of Tesla vehicle batteries averages ~90% after 200,000 miles of usage.
Tesla battery retension
Perhaps you have some data that shows otherwise?

Opinions matter regarding which purchase we make. It's our money. Facts matter in comparisons.
 
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Yes, and so far the Tesla drivetrains, including batteries, are lasting longer than ICE drivetrains.
Real life study on Tesla battery degredation.
That study says nothing about these batteries lasting longer than ICE drivetrains. Battery charge retention is not the same as battery failure or reliability rates.

Battery charge retention compares more to engine compression retention, as this directly correlates to mileage one can do on either one charge or one tank of gas.
 
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