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Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Well, say what you want, ill stick with the company that INVENTED the product. Just like i drive a Ford, a Mercedes, and use Valvoline. All were the first at something. Valvoline first distilled petroleum oil, Mercedes invented the automobile, and Ford invented mass producing it. Plus im not a liar. I liked Fram once upon a time, i thought orange was cool. But unlike Puro, ive seen Frams actually ruin the engine they were attached to, because instead of just a tear, they literally spilled their guts. Ill jist take pictures from now on...
KMJ1992, everything you type is wrong.
Invented the oil filter, yes Puro did that, a long time ago, in another time: 1923. Since then, the world has changed just a little. They aren't ahead anymore.
I'm not a fan of Fram's ocod desig either, yet their Fram Ultra (or what you called "syn-plus" LOL) is about the best there is on the market.
Seriously doubt you ever saw one of those wire-backed 'M1 Abrams tank-tough' oil filters get a hole in it or break apart.
And if you think Purolators didn't have a tearing problem, and probably still do, you're just wrong. You must be blindly ignoring the proof. Too much proof Puro makes junk media.
Simply google images of purolators tearing their media. It happens quite often.
Sounds like you work for Purolator or have some vested interest. A puro-shill.
Well, say what you want, ill stick with the company that INVENTED the product. Just like i drive a Ford, a Mercedes, and use Valvoline. All were the first at something. Valvoline first distilled petroleum oil, Mercedes invented the automobile, and Ford invented mass producing it. Plus im not a liar. I liked Fram once upon a time, i thought orange was cool. But unlike Puro, ive seen Frams actually ruin the engine they were attached to, because instead of just a tear, they literally spilled their guts. Ill jist take pictures from now on...
KMJ1992, everything you type is wrong.
Invented the oil filter, yes Puro did that, a long time ago, in another time: 1923. Since then, the world has changed just a little. They aren't ahead anymore.
I'm not a fan of Fram's ocod desig either, yet their Fram Ultra (or what you called "syn-plus" LOL) is about the best there is on the market.
Seriously doubt you ever saw one of those wire-backed 'M1 Abrams tank-tough' oil filters get a hole in it or break apart.
And if you think Purolators didn't have a tearing problem, and probably still do, you're just wrong. You must be blindly ignoring the proof. Too much proof Puro makes junk media.
Simply google images of purolators tearing their media. It happens quite often.
Sounds like you work for Purolator or have some vested interest. A puro-shill.
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Well, say what you want, ill stick with the company that INVENTED the product. Just like i drive a Ford, a Mercedes, and use Valvoline. All were the first at something. Valvoline first distilled petroleum oil, Mercedes invented the automobile, and Ford invented mass producing it. Plus im not a liar. I liked Fram once upon a time, i thought orange was cool. But unlike Puro, ive seen Frams actually ruin the engine they were attached to, because instead of just a tear, they literally spilled their guts. Ill jist take pictures from now on...
KMJ1992, everything you type is wrong.
Invented the oil filter, yes Puro did that, a long time ago, in another time: 1923. Since then, the world has changed just a little. They aren't ahead anymore.
I'm not a fan of Fram's ocod desig either, yet their Fram Ultra (or what you called "syn-plus" LOL) is about the best there is on the market.
Seriously doubt you ever saw one of those wire-backed 'M1 Abrams tank-tough' oil filters get a hole in it or break apart.
And if you think Purolators didn't have a tearing problem, and probably still do, you're just wrong. You must be blindly ignoring the proof. Too much proof Puro makes junk media.
Simply google images of purolators tearing their media. It happens quite often.
Sounds like you work for Purolator or have some vested interest. A puro-shill.
Yeah, the OP is dead wrong. Ive done lot.of.oil changes on nee.fords lately and the filters are WIX MADE. Purolator is junk also. Fram tough guard, extra guard and ultra filters are fine. Start posting facts as i dont believe a.word you said.
I have personally cut open.over 150 made by Purolator filters that tore
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Well, say what you want, ill stick with the company that INVENTED the product. Just like i drive a Ford, a Mercedes, and use Valvoline. All were the first at something. Valvoline first distilled petroleum oil, Mercedes invented the automobile, and Ford invented mass producing it. Plus im not a liar. I liked Fram once upon a time, i thought orange was cool. But unlike Puro, ive seen Frams actually ruin the engine they were attached to, because instead of just a tear, they literally spilled their guts. Ill jist take pictures from now on...
KMJ1992, everything you type is wrong.
Invented the oil filter, yes Puro did that, a long time ago, in another time: 1923. Since then, the world has changed just a little. They aren't ahead anymore.
I'm not a fan of Fram's ocod desig either, yet their Fram Ultra (or what you called "syn-plus" LOL) is about the best there is on the market.
Seriously doubt you ever saw one of those wire-backed 'M1 Abrams tank-tough' oil filters get a hole in it or break apart.
And if you think Purolators didn't have a tearing problem, and probably still do, you're just wrong. You must be blindly ignoring the proof. Too much proof Puro makes junk media.
Simply google images of purolators tearing their media. It happens quite often.
Sounds like you work for Purolator or have some vested interest. A puro-shill.
Yeah, the OP is dead wrong. Ive done lot.of.oil changes on nee.fords lately and the filters are WIX MADE. Purolator is junk also. Fram tough guard, extra guard and ultra filters are fine. Start posting facts as i dont believe a.word you said.
I have personally cut open.over 150 made by Purolator filters that tore
Originally Posted By: meep
it would not surprise me if Ford requires a higher grade of Quality or materials on the filters they have produced on contract.
There were some examples of Motorcraft oil filters tearing.
I don't think Ford was overly concerned about Customer Satisfaction though since those don't usually lead to outright engine failure, just a little extra wear that went unnoticed during the warranty period.
That said, it COULD BE that Ford did some random sampling of their own, looking into the obvious tearing issues, and did "something", who knows what, to solve it.
Its a total guess to think Ford did anything.
The https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g8x6RlI8bQ USCAR-36 oil filter performance standards ARE NOT quite the same as sampling off the production line.
Its possible it helped, but really just common-sense quality control corrective action would do the trick.
Again, Ford has to believe the customer actually notices, cares, and sees engine warranty claims for Ford themselves to care.
Ditch USCAR-36 for plain old common sense standards:
1. Ford notices oil filters are getting holes in them from sampling MC oil filters randomly and cutting them open.
2. Ford takes corrective action, really insisting that Puro start making stronger media.
3. Period, end of story, really thats it, no "uscar-36" needed.
it would not surprise me if Ford requires a higher grade of Quality or materials on the filters they have produced on contract.
There were some examples of Motorcraft oil filters tearing.
I don't think Ford was overly concerned about Customer Satisfaction though since those don't usually lead to outright engine failure, just a little extra wear that went unnoticed during the warranty period.
That said, it COULD BE that Ford did some random sampling of their own, looking into the obvious tearing issues, and did "something", who knows what, to solve it.
Its a total guess to think Ford did anything.
The https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g8x6RlI8bQ USCAR-36 oil filter performance standards ARE NOT quite the same as sampling off the production line.
Its possible it helped, but really just common-sense quality control corrective action would do the trick.
Again, Ford has to believe the customer actually notices, cares, and sees engine warranty claims for Ford themselves to care.
Ditch USCAR-36 for plain old common sense standards:
1. Ford notices oil filters are getting holes in them from sampling MC oil filters randomly and cutting them open.
2. Ford takes corrective action, really insisting that Puro start making stronger media.
3. Period, end of story, really thats it, no "uscar-36" needed.
so Op is simply basing this claim on the basplate design? or did i miss something else in skimming this thread..
I made similar claims years back about Mopar filters being wix based on an external exam a few years back(around 2012- the start of the tearolator saga) and got FLAME ROASTED with people telling me you can't tell from the outside, In Canada Mopar Filters are wix, in the US they're Purolator, etc.
I gave up arguing.
also BTW: op- Don't forget, Mann-Hummel, Who owns Purolator, recently bought WIX... this could be one of the first signs of production line consolidations
I made similar claims years back about Mopar filters being wix based on an external exam a few years back(around 2012- the start of the tearolator saga) and got FLAME ROASTED with people telling me you can't tell from the outside, In Canada Mopar Filters are wix, in the US they're Purolator, etc.
I gave up arguing.
also BTW: op- Don't forget, Mann-Hummel, Who owns Purolator, recently bought WIX... this could be one of the first signs of production line consolidations
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Purolator sent out a bad pallet or two, name a company that has never made a bad product. Fram makes garbage every single pallet. But thats ok, ill just start taking pics next time i find a piece of Fram in a VCT actuator. I wasnt on here last time i found one. I trust Puro as much as any other legitimate filter company, and you should too. Bashing Purolator about tears that happend during assembly to perfectly good media, here, in 2018, is like bashing brand new Chevys made in 2018 about ignition recalls from 2010. It just isnt fair or reasonable. And im a Ford guy...
You sir need to get out more often. Plenty more than a pallet or 2 were bad from Purolator. And it wasn't just Purolator branded ones, it was the Motorcraft as well.
Yep ... someone isn't up to speed on the subject. Sure ... over 100 reported Purolator made filters reported in this forum alone, and everyone of them was "faked" - LOL.
In fact, there have even been reported Purolator made filters with media tears pretty recently, WAY after Purolator supposedly made changes to their filter line with the new can colors, etc. And not to mention the ADBV cuts from the base plate holes issue that showed up after Purolator changed up their filters.
I've read this board for nearly 10 years and I'll say when the whole Purolator media tearing issue came up in the spring of 2014 or so, that the Purolator made filters leads the pack by a long shot for failures. And these were not media tears done at the factory during manufacturing, they happened during use caused by the delta-p of the oil flow over widely spaced pleats of brittle media. It's been hashed over and over for years on why they fail ... yet Purolator is too bone headed to figure it out.
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Purolator sent out a bad pallet or two, name a company that has never made a bad product. Fram makes garbage every single pallet. But thats ok, ill just start taking pics next time i find a piece of Fram in a VCT actuator. I wasnt on here last time i found one. I trust Puro as much as any other legitimate filter company, and you should too. Bashing Purolator about tears that happend during assembly to perfectly good media, here, in 2018, is like bashing brand new Chevys made in 2018 about ignition recalls from 2010. It just isnt fair or reasonable. And im a Ford guy...
You sir need to get out more often. Plenty more than a pallet or 2 were bad from Purolator. And it wasn't just Purolator branded ones, it was the Motorcraft as well.
Yep ... someone isn't up to speed on the subject. Sure ... over 100 reported Purolator made filters reported in this forum alone, and everyone of them was "faked" - LOL.
In fact, there have even been reported Purolator made filters with media tears pretty recently, WAY after Purolator supposedly made changes to their filter line with the new can colors, etc. And not to mention the ADBV cuts from the base plate holes issue that showed up after Purolator changed up their filters.
I've read this board for nearly 10 years and I'll say when the whole Purolator media tearing issue came up in the spring of 2014 or so, that the Purolator made filters leads the pack by a long shot for failures. And these were not media tears done at the factory during manufacturing, they happened during use caused by the delta-p of the oil flow over widely spaced pleats of brittle media. It's been hashed over and over for years on why they fail ... yet Purolator is too bone headed to figure it out.
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
They used Champ labs for OE too, many years. I don't know why they switched to Wix, now to Purolator. Probably because Ford Motorcraft filters now all meet uscar-36 test specs, so the OE must also. I haven't seen meets uscar-36, except on a Motorcraft box in the Motorcraft video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g8x6RlI8bQ
FYI, while at Walmart the other day they had all kinds of new Motorcraft filter stock. I looked at the date code on the filters and they were as recent as Feb & Mar 2018 date codes. But the boxes were old (ie, copyright date on box) and did not reference USCAR-36 anywhere on the box. Guess Motorcraft has a ton of old boxes they need to use up or something.
They used Champ labs for OE too, many years. I don't know why they switched to Wix, now to Purolator. Probably because Ford Motorcraft filters now all meet uscar-36 test specs, so the OE must also. I haven't seen meets uscar-36, except on a Motorcraft box in the Motorcraft video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g8x6RlI8bQ
FYI, while at Walmart the other day they had all kinds of new Motorcraft filter stock. I looked at the date code on the filters and they were as recent as Feb & Mar 2018 date codes. But the boxes were old (ie, copyright date on box) and did not reference USCAR-36 anywhere on the box. Guess Motorcraft has a ton of old boxes they need to use up or something.
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Well, say what you want, ill stick with the company that INVENTED the product.
You'd think Purolator, being so knowledgeable about oil filters since they were the inventors, could figure out a simple problem like tearing media then ... crazy. I use to be a huge Purolator fanboy, but when a product becomes junk (regardless of what it is), I take off the fanboy glasses and find something better. Sad, but that's how consumerism works for most people.
Well, say what you want, ill stick with the company that INVENTED the product.
You'd think Purolator, being so knowledgeable about oil filters since they were the inventors, could figure out a simple problem like tearing media then ... crazy. I use to be a huge Purolator fanboy, but when a product becomes junk (regardless of what it is), I take off the fanboy glasses and find something better. Sad, but that's how consumerism works for most people.
Quit feeding the troll....
Who knew that once a company invents something, they're going to be the only company to trust.
Originally Posted By: meep
it would not surprise me if Ford requires a higher grade of Quality or materials on the filters they have produced on contract.
Sadly if that were the case none of the Motorcraft would have tore, but they did.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
I use to be a huge Purolator fanboy
Yup, so was I. I thought the L14610 were the best value filters ever, to the point where I would buy four at a time for all of the cars in my family. After the second one tore, I cut the rest open and recycled them. Never again.
I'm the one that changes the oil on every car my family has, none of my family member's cars will ever use a Purolator. That's the kind of damage they wanted to do to the brand that's what they'll get. Competition is as American as it gets, there are plenty of other companies making good product.
Originally Posted By: meep
it would not surprise me if Ford requires a higher grade of Quality or materials on the filters they have produced on contract.
Sadly if that were the case none of the Motorcraft would have tore, but they did.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
I use to be a huge Purolator fanboy
Yup, so was I. I thought the L14610 were the best value filters ever, to the point where I would buy four at a time for all of the cars in my family. After the second one tore, I cut the rest open and recycled them. Never again.
I'm the one that changes the oil on every car my family has, none of my family member's cars will ever use a Purolator. That's the kind of damage they wanted to do to the brand that's what they'll get. Competition is as American as it gets, there are plenty of other companies making good product.
Originally Posted By: Onug
Quit feeding the troll....
Trolls gotta eat too!
Actually I don't think the OP is a troll per se. Just not up on current events. Nobody was born with the knowledge that Puro makes junk these days.
I do think the OP might work for Puro though. Just sounds like a sales rep or something pushing back on all our pesky facts here.
Quit feeding the troll....
Trolls gotta eat too!
Actually I don't think the OP is a troll per se. Just not up on current events. Nobody was born with the knowledge that Puro makes junk these days.
I do think the OP might work for Puro though. Just sounds like a sales rep or something pushing back on all our pesky facts here.
Originally Posted By: oil_film_movies
Originally Posted By: Onug
Quit feeding the troll....
Trolls gotta eat too!
Actually I don't think the OP is a troll per se. Just not up on current events. Nobody was born with the knowledge that Puro makes junk these days.
I do think the OP might work for Puro though. Just sounds like a sales rep or something pushing back on all our pesky facts here.
OP is in fact trolling. He knows nothing at all about filters. Hope he gets a nice vacation
Originally Posted By: Onug
Quit feeding the troll....
Trolls gotta eat too!
Actually I don't think the OP is a troll per se. Just not up on current events. Nobody was born with the knowledge that Puro makes junk these days.
I do think the OP might work for Puro though. Just sounds like a sales rep or something pushing back on all our pesky facts here.
OP is in fact trolling. He knows nothing at all about filters. Hope he gets a nice vacation
List of oil filters that don't tear (shoud be rare):
Royal Purple, Fram Ultra, Amsoil EaO, Hastings, Baldwin, Wix, NAPAgold, Wix XP, Napa Platinum, Denso, Fram ToughGuard, Purflux, Purolator Boss, Fram Racing, Mobil1 oil filters, K&N, Mahle, .... probably some more I'm sure.
Strong evidence of tearing:
Purolator all except the Boss model, Motorcraft, AC-Delco E-cores, AC-Delco PF64, Fram ExtraGuard.
Try to avoid those obviously.
....maybe not "strong" evidence on the ExtraGuard, but its been reported.
Those naughty & nice lists are what I've seen.
Cartridge oil filters don't seem to suffer media tears as much, although they can get collapsed media somewhat.
Royal Purple, Fram Ultra, Amsoil EaO, Hastings, Baldwin, Wix, NAPAgold, Wix XP, Napa Platinum, Denso, Fram ToughGuard, Purflux, Purolator Boss, Fram Racing, Mobil1 oil filters, K&N, Mahle, .... probably some more I'm sure.
Strong evidence of tearing:
Purolator all except the Boss model, Motorcraft, AC-Delco E-cores, AC-Delco PF64, Fram ExtraGuard.
Try to avoid those obviously.
....maybe not "strong" evidence on the ExtraGuard, but its been reported.
Those naughty & nice lists are what I've seen.
Cartridge oil filters don't seem to suffer media tears as much, although they can get collapsed media somewhat.
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Wow, thanks man I needed a good laugh today...
I don’t even know where to start.
First of all, that “loser” on the Ford message board may have been technically correct as the one I cut apart certainly looked like a Champion Labs product and Champion Labs and Fram were for a short time married under the “Fram Filtration” name.
I’d much prefer a Fram made filter than a Purolator (M+H) made filter.
I don’t even know where to start.
First of all, that “loser” on the Ford message board may have been technically correct as the one I cut apart certainly looked like a Champion Labs product and Champion Labs and Fram were for a short time married under the “Fram Filtration” name.
I’d much prefer a Fram made filter than a Purolator (M+H) made filter.
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Honda also outsources better filters for performance cars. Wonder why??
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
So you are saying that Ford knew about it too? A large company like Ford isnt going to take chances. If they thought for a second that continuing with Puro would cause warranty issues they would have cancelled their contract, not started a second one and continued the first. So ya. Maybe a truck or two. But still beats Frams track record by a LONG shot.
So how do you explain that Honda uses FRAM as OEM on their filters? Honda wouldn't take chances if they though for a second using Fram would cause warranty issues....
Honda apparently uses a thicker can and different media than a standard Fram. That also says something.
Fram did not choose the Ultra media for their racing filters, why not?
Honda also outsources better filters for performance cars. Wonder why??
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
So you are saying that Ford knew about it too? A large company like Ford isnt going to take chances. If they thought for a second that continuing with Puro would cause warranty issues they would have cancelled their contract, not started a second one and continued the first. So ya. Maybe a truck or two. But still beats Frams track record by a LONG shot.
So how do you explain that Honda uses FRAM as OEM on their filters? Honda wouldn't take chances if they though for a second using Fram would cause warranty issues....
Honda apparently uses a thicker can and different media than a standard Fram. That also says something.
Fram did not choose the Ultra media for their racing filters, why not?
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Purolator sent out a bad pallet or two, name a company that has never made a bad product.
A bad pallet or two? Those must be awfully large pallets. Ask any of our resident filter cutters about what they've seen. Of course, there are threads with plenty of images.
Purolator sent out a bad pallet or two, name a company that has never made a bad product.
A bad pallet or two? Those must be awfully large pallets. Ask any of our resident filter cutters about what they've seen. Of course, there are threads with plenty of images.
Of ALL of those torn filters, how many have ruined an engine?
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