Five Euro Car Myths?

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Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Any car regardless of brand will be expensive to own and maintain if the owner is ignorant about how the car works and what it needs. I'm not saying everyone needs to be a mechanic, but at least be somewhat familiar with what the price of a repair should be.
I agree- and I think that's the reason I haven't had many reliability issues with any of my cars.[B] German cars tend to be designed and engineered with the presumption that the car will be maintained by the book. Most other manufacturers assume the worst with respect to owner maintenance and design the vehicle accordingly.[/B]

Yeu must change zi oil at 9:45PM at zi nighttime or zi car will explodes.
 
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How about this may be now a myth: European cars like very heavy motor oils, 0W-40 and up because German.

My E30 liked heavy oil, however... I wonder if I could actually run regular thin oil in it and be okay. 5W-30, maybe a stout 0W-20 if I'm really brave.

For Mercedes, they typically spec MB 229.5 oils which is basically 0w-40. There are some newer models that go down to 0w-20 though. For MB 229.5, the lowest it goes is 0w30.

It's not a myth, it's just a spec.
 
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I just saw this thread for the first time. I got thru #'s 1 and 2 from the original post, which are "not all that much more expensive" and "DIY to save money"

Well the first proves it is more expensive, and the second is well a captain obvious comment. I skipped the rest of those "myths"
 
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I just saw this thread for the first time. I got thru #'s 1 and 2 from the original post, which are "not all that much more expensive" and "DIY to save money"

Well the first proves it is more expensive, and the second is well a captain obvious comment. I skipped the rest of those "myths"
The point is that if you DIY, they are not much more expensive than other cars you can DIY on, like say a Honda. A Mercedes-Benz dealer will absolutely be more expensive than a Honda dealer though.
 
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The point is that if you DIY, they are not much more expensive than other cars you can DIY on, like say a Honda. A Mercedes-Benz dealer will absolutely be more expensive than a Honda dealer though.

But it's all relative. I think the dealer is something like $150-$200 hour. Which isn't that much more than a Honda dealer and you do get a free Mercedes rental with any service along with the usual free snacks and car wash.

I just take mine to an indy ASE mechanic and most of the work he can and he's just around $50/hour but mostly he quotes by the job. He's fast and just charges actual time, not book time so he actually ends up being pretty reasonable. Then I can bring aftermarket parts or get OEM parts online cheaply. He actually prefers that I get the parts because if they fail, no warranty. Pretty much all the parts I've gotten so far have been fine or they just wore out on their own eventually. I try to only buy quality parts so he doesn't have to do it again.
 
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But it's all relative. I think the dealer is something like $150-$200 hour. Which isn't that much more than a Honda dealer and you do get a free Mercedes rental with any service along with the usual free snacks and car wash.

I just take mine to an indy ASE mechanic and most of the work he can and he's just around $50/hour but mostly he quotes by the job. He's fast and just charges actual time, not book time so he actually ends up being pretty reasonable. Then I can bring aftermarket parts or get OEM parts online cheaply. He actually prefers that I get the parts because if they fail, no warranty. Pretty much all the parts I've gotten so far have been fine or they just wore out on their own eventually. I try to only buy quality parts so he doesn't have to do it again.
For sure, I'm talking about the average know-nothing consumer who just blindly goes to dealerships and trusts them, the Mercedes dealer will be more.
 
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Between my wife and I we have owned 3 Hondas Accords and 3 VW Jettas. In 62K miles My Accord has needed a new half shaft (previous owner), a couple small rust repairs shortly after purchasing at 32K miles (no issues since), VTC actuator (rattling noise on start up), 2 rear calipers and 1 wheel bearing.

My wifes previous Jetta was sold at 62K miles, owed since new. It needed a water pump, 2 ignition tumblers, 1 rear wheel ABS sensor, 1 radiator fan, and a heater core ($$$). When we sold it the A/C was having issues with intermittently blowing warm air.

Neither car has been / was perfect but the VW needed a few more repairs in 60K miles. Both cars had what I would call major repairs for such low miles especially considering they have been immaculately maintained.
 
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I just read this entire thread and I'm exhausted. I can't understand how the two Japanese cars, one Japanese motorcycle, two euro and one domestic vehicle get along so well in my driveway. :rolleyes:
 
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I thought Myth #5 was a little weak. Who ever thought European cars were 100% European?

SUGGESTION: Replace Myth #5 with: European car makers had to resort to sourcing their "Glam Toys" -fancy electronic do-dads- from various companies. Since Glam Toys are sloughed from the marketplace, no electronics supply firm had any inclination to support them past warranty or a legally required time frame. This creates a big, in-your-face zone of unreliability. Dashboard data readouts in Saabs, bad ACC in Volvos.
 
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Every plastic clip, fastener and holder on the BMW breaks when you try and remove it. Not only that the design of the faster is non-intuitive compared to the Toyota or Honda clip, only once you've broken it do you find out how you should have removed it in the first place. Never do I say "why would they do it that way?" with the Asian cars, only the BMW. On many repair jobs I have spent as much on clips and fasteners as I have on the part that I'm replacing.
Exactly my feelings and thoughts when i work on my VW Golf Mk III winter beater, compared to my Honda.
On the VW, every littls plastic part breaks when you try to remove it. It´s just a annoying PITA.
Working on the Honda is allmost like Lego: Klick-Klack. Just a joy to work.
 
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Just one thing about reliability:

I am not a big fan of german cars. I also think that they are unneccesary complicated to work on and not so reliable as the used to be back in the 90s. But, untill today, most german Taxis are Mercedes. And this cars collect a lot of Klilometers, without problems. But this cars get maintained "By the book" at dealers with all the special tools. That makes a difference in my opinion.

"If i want to drive mercedes, i just simply call a taxi" is a saying here. :)
 
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Just one thing about reliability:

I am not a big fan of german cars. I also think that they are unneccesary complicated to work on and not so reliable as the used to be back in the 90s. But, untill today, most german Taxis are Mercedes. And this cars collect a lot of Klilometers, without problems. But this cars get maintained "By the book" at dealers with all the special tools. That makes a difference in my opinion.

"If i want to drive mercedes, i just simply call a taxi" is a saying here. :)
Funny you say that, I have a 2008 E-350 and a 2011. Never really take it to the dealer. Had the 2008 for 6 years now. Got a copy of the EPC/WIS and the forums are really good. There's a few people on there that seem to work for Mercedes dealers so you can really get some good advice on there. I actually do like some of the engineering that I run into occasionally, some of the stuff is quality but then yeah, some of it is a little too complicated for nothing but what that really means is that the engineering isn't there. It takes more engineering to make things simple than to leave it a complicated mess. Oh and there's really very few special tools that you need, I use aftermarket code readers to read MB specific codes and there's a few tools that you need for specific jobs, but sometimes there are workarounds.
 
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