Federal EV tax credit set to end completely September 30th

[JeffKeryk]

Yes, I know - I can get 200 miles in 15 minutes at a supercharger - assuming a spot is open. And Tesla will route me there. If its not on my direct path, too bad for me. Or I can get 400 miles in 5 minutes at any gas station.

You do you.

I suggest 99% of the ICE owners who drive equal amounts of mileage as I do in my EV spend sooooo much more time (and $$) fueling up in comparison.

I think people have this misinformed image in their minds about EV issues, particularly charging. I know I did. Range anxiety is common.
I Supercharged more often when we had the '18 Mid Range; at first it played hard on my mind. Then I learned; getting a cup of coffee, catching up on emails, or even BOB, takes 15 minutes or more and even makes the ride even better.

That's my experience. I understand EVs are not for everyone or every use case, but I believe there is a lot of misunderstanding out there. If they were a pain to live with, what do they keep selling so well, have repeat customers, and continue to take market share?

There is truth in numbers.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I suggest 99% of the ICE owners who drive equal amounts of mileage as I do in my EV spend sooooo much more time (and $$) fueling up in comparison.

I think people have this misinformed image in their minds about EV issues, particularly charging. I know I did. Range anxiety is common.
I Supercharged more often when we had the '18 Mid Range; at first it played hard on my mind. Then I learned; getting a cup of coffee, catching up on emails, or even BOB, takes 15 minutes or more and even makes the ride even better.

That's my experience. I understand EVs are not for everyone or every use case, but I believe there is a lot of misunderstanding out there. If they were a pain to live with, what do they keep selling so well, have repeat customers, and continue to take market share?

There is truth in numbers.

So we agree that everyone is biased.

And you admittedly don't drive long distances, charge for free at home, and literally live in the place on the earth with the most charging infrastructure. Yet your unbiased somehow?

Even if everyone else is wrong so what - its there money. I did not say I had range anxiety. I said that is what the surveys always spell out. You feel free to spend yours on EV's. It doesn't bother me at all. I am just happy I don't need to directly subsidize it anymore.

 

[Torrid]

So we agree that everyone is biased.

And you admittedly don't drive long distances, charge for free at home, and literally live in the place on the earth with the most charging infrastructure. Yet your unbiased somehow?

Even if everyone else is wrong so what - its there money. I did not say I had range anxiety. I said that is what the surveys always spell out. You feel free to spend yours on EV's. It doesn't bother me at all. I am just happy I don't need to directly subsidize it anymore.

And I have the opposite. I’m on the road constantly and my nearest supercharger is 30 miles away, yet they are somehow everywhere I go otherwise. I have enough range to drive by 6 of them in any direction I go though. I’m telling you that the thought you have on EVs is completely backwards because you haven’t lived with one. I’m not saying you should be forced to live with one, you just genuinely lack the information to understand that it would actually save you time and money and quite a bit of both.

It didn’t make sense to me early on either and it was in my garage. The range anxiety nonsense is fear of the unknown. There’s nothing to it, literally at all. You just haven’t experienced it as your only transportation.

 

[SC Maintenance]

And I have the opposite. I’m on the road constantly and my nearest supercharger is 30 miles away, yet they are somehow everywhere I go otherwise. I have enough range to drive by 6 of them in any direction I go though. I’m telling you that the thought you have on EVs is completely backwards because you haven’t lived with one. I’m not saying you should be forced to live with one, you just genuinely lack the information to understand that it would actually save you time and money and quite a bit of both.

It didn’t make sense to me early on either and it was in my garage. The range anxiety nonsense is fear of the unknown. There’s nothing to it, literally at all. You just haven’t experienced it as your only transportation.

Conceited a bit. How about keep telling me what I do or do not know or fear.

 

[JeffKeryk]

So we agree that everyone is biased.

And you admittedly don't drive long distances, charge for free at home, and literally live in the place on the earth with the most charging infrastructure. Yet your unbiased somehow?

Even if everyone else is wrong so what - its there money. I did not say I had range anxiety. I said that is what the surveys always spell out. You feel free to spend yours on EV's. It doesn't bother me at all. I am just happy I don't need to directly subsidize it anymore.

I'm not sure I meant biased; I meant uninformed; ICE is so ingrained in our lives. ICE is the standard.
I am saying EV charging; living with an EV, is not what I thought it would be. And I believe what appears (at least to me) the common impression is not accurate, at least for most use.

Yes, there are a lotta chargers around here, this is where Musk built his company. I see them everywhere and growing. I also don't use them. If you can charge at home, why would you need a Supercharger unless you were traveling 250+ miles? Regardless, it is nice to know Superchargers are available should I need one.

You are spot on; I 've said many times our EV is a good fit for my use case and my use case is unique if you compare it to the greater country. But not to my street; there may be 10 EVs from Bolts, Teslas, Porsches, Kias and Nissans. And a Lightning around the corner.

How often do you travel more than, say 250 miles in one day without stopping?
By the way, what you want to drive is part of one's use case, IMO.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Yes, I know - I can get 200 miles in 15 minutes at a supercharger - assuming a spot is open. And Tesla will route me there. If its not on my direct path, too bad for me. Or I can get 400 miles in 5 minutes at any gas station.

I don't believe people making statements such as, "Or I can get 400 miles in 5 minutes at any gas station" have actually timed how long it takes to divert from one's route, pull into a station, pump gas, pay for it, and resume the route. You are just guessing and ignoring the parts which do not support your preconceived notion.

 

[Dave Hess]

I suppose if someone gave me a Tesla plaid I wouldn’t say no. The speed of those things is just unreal. At least for 200 miles anyways.

I will buy one when Elon is gone from Tesla.

 

[IveBeenRued]

People are so black and white when it comes to EVs and always bring up roadtrips. People rarely only have EV vehicles in the family and so roadtrip duties typically fall to the non-EV. Roughly 28% of my immediate colleagues (5 of 18) are driving EVs as their commuter cars but 0% rely solely on EVs for their entire fleet.

 

[Cujet]

I think it might be worth actually having a conversation with people who have road tripped EVs instead of speculation. I've never seen a type of car to have more arm chair quarterbacks than EVs, facts usually being optional.

I've done it many times. FL to Burlington VT in a long range Model S. Any way you slice it, the trip took an additional day.

I've done a great many 'solo' FL to NorthEast trips for my job, during covid, twice per week! Mostly to PA, 1354 miles, 19 hours. 2 fuel stops in the Ecoboost 3.5L. 1 fuel stop in the 2.7L EB with 36g tank. The EV trips are on another level.

Even a model 3 trip Jupiter to Sav and back (400 miles each way) was an exercise in wasting time.

There are times EV's work great on long trips, I won't deny that. There are also times where it simply wastes time. Been there, done that.

 

[SC Maintenance]

How often do you travel more than, say 250 miles in one day without stopping?
By the way, what you want to drive is part of one's use case, IMO.

I am the wrong use case because I do drive 250 miles in one day without stopping often 2 times a week (to a job and back from a job). So I am the wrong use case, and I realize I am unique.

My wife never drives more than 100 miles. An EV would be fine for her. But she still isn't getting one - because the ROI is not there and other reasons, like she would forget to plug it in. Or maybe once she decides she wants to go somewhere, and sitting around waiting for a charger to free up doesn't sound like a good time.

What I don't understand is why EV owners (not you) feel compelled to tell everyone else that doesn't want one that there simply stupid and don't understand them.

I have no issues with EV's, and never have. Options are good. But Its good that the free market can decide on its own now.

 

[Finklejag]

60% of new car sales in Iceland are electric. They are second behind Norway. They don’t seem to be discouraged by cold weather.

Iceland has a population of 350,000 and most are concentrated in the SE corner of the island, also the average temp of the coastal areas range from 45f-55f year round.

 

[D1dad]

If I had one it would be for around town or the typical 90 miles round trip to Costco or Sam’s. I do Ohio to the east cost a few times a month, 600 miles each way. No way in the world I’d attempt that in an EV. So in the end an electric car is a complete waste, at least for me. Now my daughter who drives 100 miles a day to the hospital she works at would be a perfect candidate. But she forgets to get gas, no way she’d remember to plug her toy in every night.

 

[Torrid]

I'm not sure I meant biased; I meant uninformed; ICE is so ingrained in our lives. ICE is the standard.
I am saying EV charging; living with an EV, is not what I thought it would be. And I believe what appears (at least to me) the common impression is not accurate, at least for most use.

Yes, there are a lotta chargers around here, this is where Musk built his company. I see them everywhere and growing. I also don't use them. If you can charge at home, why would you need a Supercharger unless you were traveling 250+ miles? Regardless, it is nice to know Superchargers are available should I need one.

You are spot on; I 've said many times our EV is a good fit for my use case and my use case is unique if you compare it to the greater country. But not to my street; there may be 10 EVs from Bolts, Teslas, Porsches, Kias and Nissans. And a Lightning around the corner.

How often do you travel more than, say 250 miles in one day without stopping?
By the way, what you want to drive is part of one's use case, IMO.

I love that the 250 mile figure came up. Just did this one last week for work. One of my locations is 150 miles from home, so 300 miles round trip. Car is rated at 279 miles. I’ve done it 3 times now, no charger at the company supplied hotel and I have made a stop on the return trip of no more 10 minutes each time. The last time I got back with 13%. The majority of the drive is at 75mph. I keep thinking I might be able to shave a couple minutes off that stop, but I’ve never waited on the car to charge before leaving, that’s just about how long that stop is since I grab food on the return trip. Culvers takes a few more minutes than standard fast food, but I can’t think of a better location for a charging stop and a lot of Superchargers in Wisconsin are at Culvers.

 

[Expendable]

I love that the 250 mile figure came up. Just did this one last week for work. One of my locations is 150 miles from home, so 300 miles round trip. Car is rated at 279 miles. I’ve done it 3 times now, no charger at the company supplied hotel and I have made a stop on the return trip of no more 10 minutes each time. The last time I got back with 13%. The majority of the drive is at 75mph. I keep thinking I might be able to shave a couple minutes off that stop, but I’ve never waited on the car to charge before leaving, that’s just about how long that stop is since I grab food on the return trip. Culvers takes a few more minutes than standard fast food, but I can’t think of a better location for a charging stop and a lot of Superchargers in Wisconsin are at Culvers.

I love me some Culvers, Nothing beats a Butter Burger and a Turtle Sunday.

 

[JeffKeryk]

What I don't understand is why EV owners (not you) feel compelled to tell everyone else that doesn't want one that there simply stupid and don't understand them.

I guess know-it-all jerks drive all kinds of cars, including EVs.
I've had my share of verbal black eyes here on BOB over Teslas and EVs in general. I don't get it, but it's all good. Each to his/her own.

I've learned a lot about EVs via our 2 Tesla purchases. But you can have any of my cars, but keep your paws off my old Tundra! It is the best tool I have. My cowboy friends tell me, "Ya ain't xxxx if ya ain't got a truck. And an SUV ain't a truck." I live by those words!

 

[UncleDave]

I've done it many times. FL to Burlington VT in a long range Model S. Any way you slice it, the trip took an additional day.

I've done a great many 'solo' FL to NorthEast trips for my job, during covid, twice per week! Mostly to PA, 1354 miles, 19 hours. 2 fuel stops in the Ecoboost 3.5L. 1 fuel stop in the 2.7L EB with 36g tank. The EV trips are on another level.

Even a model 3 trip Jupiter to Sav and back (400 miles each way) was an exercise in wasting time.

There are times EV's work great on long trips, I won't deny that. There are also times where it simply wastes time. Been there, done that.

What are the city pairs?
Im super curious what the longest legged fastest charging electrics could do it in now.
The EV wont prevail, but what is the best in glass gap at this point I wonder?

You no doubt used some of the longest legged vehicles one could get for these trips, which is super convenient from a fueling perspective, and a great way to roll for sure.

Were fuel stops the only stops, no bio, food beverage, or stretching ?

 

[Finklejag]

I foresee Fiat closing up shop in the US since it would be almost impossible to sell or lease the 500e for MSRP. The $7500 cap cost reduction is what helped them sell the very few cars that they did over the last year.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I foresee Fiat closing up shop in the US since it would be almost impossible to sell or lease the 500e for MSRP. The $7500 cap cost reduction is what helped them sell the very few cars that they did over the last year.

And every other EV outside of #1?

 

[Cujet]

What are the city pairs?
Im super curious what the longest legged fastest charging electrics could do it in now.
The EV wont prevail, but what is the best in glass gap at this point I wonder?

You no doubt used some of the longest legged vehicles one could get for these trips, which is super convenient from a fueling perspective, and a great way to roll for sure.

Were fuel stops the only stops, no bio, food beverage, or stretching ?

Jupiter, FL to SAV airport 400 miles each way. Sometimes up and back in one day. (Gulfstream service center) or to Milford, PA 1354 miles, or to Burlington, (Williston) VT 1500 miles.

When I had to do this trip for work, time was super important. Not to mention I had to carry aircraft supplies, such as seats, power carts, golf cart tow conversion, tow the helicopter dolly and so on.

Done solo most of the time. Never stop for food, just bring along drinks and sandwiches. Occasional pit stops, I'm not one that needs frequent stops.

Just an FYI, even with the Model S long range spectacular first charge range (over 200 fast highway miles) it still takes 15 stops and 8 real world hours of charging, Jupiter to Williston, VT.

 

[SC Maintenance]

And every other EV outside of #1?

Consolidation might be good in general. There are way too many car companies. Most loose money other than accounting gimmicks.