Fast-food strikes set for cities nationwide

[wsar10]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Sorry, but the VAST majority of food service workers in my area are already getting paid far too much an hour. It's an entry level job for those starting out in the workforce or using the income as a supplement. Some, the good ones, have a goal in mind to move up in the business through hard work and skill improvement. These loser idiots that are working at Burger King at 25 years and older and expect a 'living wage' (unionist-socialist drivel) are nothing more than lazy moochers only a step above lifetime welfare sponges. When I started out in the workforce I did food service jobs. I know what it's like....and I KNEW that I needed to move up or seek better employment or I'd be stuck making low wages. Today, these fools REALLY think they should be making enough money to raise a family while working the drive-thru at Jack in the Box? When this this sort of stupidity take hold?

I gotta agree......

 

[GreeCguy]

Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Heard this morning some of the folks want the food joints to pay at least $16.00/hr so they will be on par with the handout programs.


"Bread and Circuses." It's as old as the Roman Empire.

 

[GreeCguy]

Originally Posted By: morepwr
Well it wont effect me much if they strike. I eat fast food maybe once a month. I shouldn't I know, but I like a big 'ol cheeseburger once in a while!


Ditto - only my wild side fast food experience is Long John Silvers. The rest of the month I brown bag it with whatever we have left over in the fridge and if there's nothing left over it's PB & J or a couple of boiled eggs and some tuna.

 

[surfstar]

Maybe its the best way to fight the obesity epidemic:

1) either the fast food places close b/c they can't afford higher wages

2) fast food prices go high enough that people choose to eat elsewhere, or heaven-forbid, make their own food

Plus our healthcare costs nationwide go down b/c of reduced obesity related issues.

 

[JHZR2]

Why anyone would want to stay in food service forever is beyond me. But if like Walmart and other minimum wage jobs, the business model is to force that person's real costs (e.g. Healthcare) onto the government/population at large, it is treacherous and should be taken from the hides of those running the business.

I'm sorry but like it or not, people besides high school kids on mommy and daddy's insurance plan take these jobs. Sure, might be idiotic to think of it as a career, but even for six months or while in college, does that not count?

But given how many jobs we offshore, im really interested where the armchair economists think the new jobs are all going to come from. I already see lots of people standing out on the street corner looking like slobs. What's funny is that then these people scare the tough talkers, so they have to go buy and carry guns to protect themselves from these idle have nothings who would happily kill your wife, rape you, then steal everything you have.

The population in this thread needs to do what I've been saying for years - allow and expect large numbers of people dying in the streets, let them go, thin the population, and clear the issue. Obviously there is no solution to this... And I don't care to pay for them do some CEO can make a million dollar bonus, or some business fundamentalist can feel empowered to some impractical theory while society crumbles around it. Demand to thin the herd!

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
The population in this thread needs to do what I've been saying for years - allow and expect large numbers of people dying in the streets, let them go, thin the population, and clear the issue. Obviously there is no solution to this... And I don't care to pay for them.


While I don't agree the harsh way to the conclusion (reduced population and survival of the fittest), the typical output in Asia which also enters de-industrialization is birth control.

I've not seen people having more than 2 kids there, and about 1/2 of them that I know of are having only 1 kid by choice (not due to 1 child policy).

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Heard this morning some of the folks want the food joints to pay at least $16.00/hr so they will be on par with the handout programs.


"Bread and Circuses." It's as old as the Roman Empire.


For those not familiar with this concept, this link leads to a short and concise explanation:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-02...l#disqus_thread

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
The population in this thread needs to do what I've been saying for years - allow and expect large numbers of people dying in the streets, let them go, thin the population, and clear the issue. Obviously there is no solution to this... And I don't care to pay for them.


While I don't agree the harsh way to the conclusion (reduced population and survival of the fittest), the typical output in Asia which also enters de-industrialization is birth control.

I've not seen people having more than 2 kids there, and about 1/2 of them that I know of are having only 1 kid by choice (not due to 1 child policy).


Unfortunately, we are paying people to have more children here. Sadly, most of them are not going to become productive citizens. They most certainly will vote to perpetuate the system that produced them.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
The population in this thread needs to do what I've been saying for years - allow and expect large numbers of people dying in the streets, let them go, thin the population, and clear the issue. Obviously there is no solution to this... And I don't care to pay for them.


While I don't agree the harsh way to the conclusion (reduced population and survival of the fittest), the typical output in Asia which also enters de-industrialization is birth control.

I've not seen people having more than 2 kids there, and about 1/2 of them that I know of are having only 1 kid by choice (not due to 1 child policy).


Harsh is more to get a point across than necessarily my feelings. But here we have an excess population, and have already donated all the jobs to Asia. So what exactly should these people do??? Sit idle or do something and ensure that their livelihood, not the government, is supporting the basics that are essentially mandatory in this country?

That's my issue. And it is never full addressed soup to nuts by the business fundamentalist armchair economist type.

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
...What's funny is that then these people scare the tough talkers, so they have to go buy and carry guns to protect themselves from these idle have nothings who would happily kill your wife, rape you, then steal everything you have....


Sad, perhaps...but definitely not funny.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
The population in this thread needs to do what I've been saying for years - allow and expect large numbers of people dying in the streets, let them go, thin the population, and clear the issue. Obviously there is no solution to this... And I don't care to pay for them.


While I don't agree the harsh way to the conclusion (reduced population and survival of the fittest), the typical output in Asia which also enters de-industrialization is birth control.

I've not seen people having more than 2 kids there, and about 1/2 of them that I know of are having only 1 kid by choice (not due to 1 child policy).


Unfortunately, we are paying people to have more children here. Sadly, most of them are not going to become productive citizens. They most certainly will vote to perpetuate the system that produced them.


Yes and obviously that's wrong and one of the big fundamental problems. So how do we thin the herd and how do we deal with the excess until its thinned? What dictates who we keep and who gets dealt with?

Answers please. Seems you have it all figured out.

 

[Cristobal]

It will not matter much. There are too many people willing to work for minimum wage.

 

[surfstar]

Might I suggest a Modest Proposal?

 

[JANDSZIRKLE]

A friend of mine in college was a very well too do fellow. He was born into a wealthy family. His father owned 3 fast food joints. He brought in millions every year from those 3 places. Average wage of employees was $0.90 above minimum wage. Thats every employee tallied. The key his father would say, location. Within three months his 1st one was paid for and making him more money than he could spend. Within a year, all three were rolling in more cash than he could wipe his hind parts with. I am not against anyone making money. Having said that, Im sure fast food places could afford too pay alot more than they do.

Another example...
I personally worked during all 4 years of high school at the "golden arches". On saturday morning, at 4am, was there for every truck shipment too rotate inventory and restock. After a year of doing so, the manager made me a "swing manager" at 15 years old, gave me keys too store so she didnt have too be there at 4am. I was responsible for ordering and receipt of weekly supplies too keep the store running.
She sat me down and showed me how much everything costs, how much we needed, how too do everything.
I was shocked too discover the profit margin. Really made me regret working so hard and getting paid $4.25 an hour.

But it made me jump into college right outta high school so as too try and avoid a "career" there.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[IndyIan]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
The population in this thread needs to do what I've been saying for years - allow and expect large numbers of people dying in the streets, let them go, thin the population, and clear the issue. Obviously there is no solution to this... And I don't care to pay for them.


While I don't agree the harsh way to the conclusion (reduced population and survival of the fittest), the typical output in Asia which also enters de-industrialization is birth control.

I've not seen people having more than 2 kids there, and about 1/2 of them that I know of are having only 1 kid by choice (not due to 1 child policy).

Canada as well as most of Europe, would have population decline if immigration was cut off. But our current economic model of constant growth, can't seem to handle population decline for some reason.
Thinning the herd strategies seem like a bad idea unless you can afford your own security detail and APV in a well armed america...
The Nordic countries seem to thrive with even more safety nets for its underachieving citizens, so it not like its an immpossible issue to solve.

 

[eljefino]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
If they strike they should be fired. I own a restaurant and there is a line of people that want jobs. They could be replaced the same day with people happy to accept the current pay rate.

If I had to raise my wages even a buck an hour that would spell doom for my business. All you people that think $16 is acceptable for a minimum-wage job are either grossly ignorant of the real world, delusional or have never owned or operated a business. Or you work for the government.

The thing I just can't understand is why someone thinks a mythical job paying $16 is better than an actual job paying $8. Raise the minimum wage to $16 and there will be a lot of mythical jobs for everybody.


Are you basing this on your competition paying $16 an hour also?

If all the chumps that ate at your restaurant made $16, would they go there additionally enough to cover your paying out $16?

$16 overnight would be a shock to the system like we assumed $3.59 gas would be a dealbreaker 10 years back, but things are more or less normal.

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: JANDSZIRKLE
...Im sure fast food places could afford too pay alot more than they do....


Apparently, you are an employee and not an employer. An employer's main responsibility is to maximize his return on investment. Part of that is to hire employees who will do the job well for the lowest expenditure.

It is not the employee's job to worry about how little or how much compensation the business owner derives from his endeavor. Your only consideration should be your willingness to fulfill the job description for the wage that is offered.

 

[JANDSZIRKLE]

Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: JANDSZIRKLE
...Im sure fast food places could afford too pay alot more than they do....


Apparently, you are an employee and not an employer. An employer's main responsibility is to maximize his return on investment. Part of that is to hire employees who will do the job well for the lowest expenditure.

It is not the employee's job to worry about how little or how much compensation the business owner derives from his endeavor. Your only consideration should be your willingness to fulfill the job description for the wage that is offered.


Actually Im a music teacher, so, yes, I am an employee like every working person out there.

I agree with your point too a degree.

My point was, minimum wage in an industry that makes billions yearly is sad and shows poor business practices that in the USA have become the norm.

 

[wsar10]

Originally Posted By: JANDSZIRKLE
Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: JANDSZIRKLE
...Im sure fast food places could afford too pay alot more than they do....


Apparently, you are an employee and not an employer. An employer's main responsibility is to maximize his return on investment. Part of that is to hire employees who will do the job well for the lowest expenditure.

It is not the employee's job to worry about how little or how much compensation the business owner derives from his endeavor. Your only consideration should be your willingness to fulfill the job description for the wage that is offered.


Actually Im a music teacher, so, yes, I am an employee like every working person out there.

I agree with your point too a degree.

My point was, minimum wage in an industry that makes billions yearly is sad and shows poor business practices that in the USA have become the norm.


NO it does not, it shows capitalism and that is what keeps prices manageable.
AGAIN YOU have the choice to take a job or not !!

 

[Maximus1966]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2

Yes and obviously that's wrong and one of the big fundamental problems. So how do we thin the herd and how do we deal with the excess until its thinned? What dictates who we keep and who gets dealt with?

Answers please. Seems you have it all figured out.


"Dictates?" As in dictator? Yeah, that may happen if the pendulum swing so far that enough people get fed up and put the wrong guy in charge (think mid-1930's). Hopefully, we'll never face that situation.

The only way out of the death spiral that I can see would be to slowly start unraveling the entitlement programs. Disability is the new welfare where I live.

A real good start would be to require sterilization of the parents when a child's birth is funded by the taxpayers. One and out sounds fair to me.

In order to get started in the right direction, only those who pay Federal income tax should be allowed to vote. Non-taxpayers are already determining the outcome of national elections. And of course you should have to show adequate identification at polling places to assure that you are qualified.

How's that?