Fast-food strikes set for cities nationwide

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Originally Posted By: kschachn
If they strike they should be fired.


You should probably move to China if you really feel that way. I don't agree with a $16.00 an hour wage for FF employees either, but firing people for organizing seems pretty un-American to me.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
If they strike they should be fired. I own a restaurant and there is a line of people that want jobs. They could be replaced the same day with people happy to accept the current pay rate.

If I had to raise my wages even a buck an hour that would spell doom for my business. All you people that think $16 is acceptable for a minimum-wage job are either grossly ignorant of the real world, delusional or have never owned or operated a business. Or you work for the government.

The thing I just can't understand is why someone thinks a mythical job paying $16 is better than an actual job paying $8. Raise the minimum wage to $16 and there will be a lot of mythical jobs for everybody.

Are you in a good franchise? I could see what might happen is McD's will invest a billion or 2 and automate half their employees away... Then the small independent guy gets it from both sides, paying higher wages, and McD's actually ends up paying no more for wages than they did before and maintaining their current prices.
Its scary, between off-shoring and automation, I'm pushing my kids to get into robotics as a career, either design or servicing, depending on their ability.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
If they strike they should be fired. I own a restaurant and there is a line of people that want jobs. They could be replaced the same day with people happy to accept the current pay rate.

If I had to raise my wages even a buck an hour that would spell doom for my business. All you people that think $16 is acceptable for a minimum-wage job are either grossly ignorant of the real world, delusional or have never owned or operated a business. Or you work for the government.

The thing I just can't understand is why someone thinks a mythical job paying $16 is better than an actual job paying $8. Raise the minimum wage to $16 and there will be a lot of mythical jobs for everybody.


The trouble is organizing is used less today for effecting real and necessary change and more for extorting industry. Sometimes, they strike themselves right out of a job anyways because in their attempt to wring all the cash out of their employer they succeed and the industry is crippled.

Reality is inconvenient, harsh, and not often politically correct. It is thus very unpopular. It is really very simple. If I own a small business and I have ten minimum wage employees and the minimum wage doubles I will now have five minimum wage employees. I’ll spread the work load amongst a smaller group and I still won’t have any trouble filling those positions because the labor at that level already outstrips demand. Add in the increased demand created by other business owners reducing their minimum wage workforce. Or I might even just contract out the menial jobs and eliminate the jobs all together and with them my liability.
 
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Minimum wage jobs are for kids in high school saving for college, college kids on summer break, and retired people who like to occupy their free time working and making some extra cash. They're not designed to support families. If you need to support a family or even yourself, get a better job.


EXACTLY.....
Here is a thought we live a great country where you can do ANYTHING YOU WANT ! So why should you take from my wages to increase your own, when its YOUR decision not to better your own situation. By taking from my wages I mean the obvious, like Welfare BUT I also mean If I did something in life that has resulted in me making $30 an hour and you who has done nothing now makes $15 an hour HALF OF MY WAGE, You have now devalued or lessened the value of my education, career,position or HARD work.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
This is an infuriatingly stupid statement. Prices will not rise 10-20% (and it would be a lot more than that to more than double the minimum wage), what will happen is that restaurants will close and lay off everyone. The ones that remain will either automate or scale back services to reduce wage costs to an acceptable level.

Your utopian thinking is laughable. Seriously. You think a 10-20% price increase is all that is required to cover a 100%+ wage increase? Besides, the wage increase is only half the story. Add on top of that all the taxes a business pays on wages and it is a lot more.


My best friend is a chef at a very large facility with multiple restaurants and he was telling me the profit margins in the food service industry. I had no idea they were as tight as they are, usually only 10-15% in sit down and 1-5% in fast food. A local restaurant that is part of a regional chain closed because everyone used their 15% off or $7 of a $25 meal card and they were losing money on every meal.
 
Another stupid statement in this thread. They would be fired for an illegal job action, not organizing.

Last time I checked it was legal to terminate someone for walking out on their job.

Originally Posted By: JOD
You should probably move to China if you really feel that way. I don't agree with a $16.00 an hour wage for FF employees either, but firing people for organizing seems pretty un-American to me.
 
Originally Posted By: wsar10
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Minimum wage jobs are for kids in high school saving for college, college kids on summer break, and retired people who like to occupy their free time working and making some extra cash. They're not designed to support families. If you need to support a family or even yourself, get a better job.


EXACTLY.....
Here is a thought we live a great country where you can do ANYTHING YOU WANT ! So why should you take from my wages to increase your own, when its YOUR decision not to better your own situation. By taking from my wages I mean the obvious, like Welfare BUT I also mean If I did something in life that has resulted in me making $30 an hour and you who has done nothing now makes $15 an hour HALF OF MY WAGE, You have now devalued or lessened the value of my education, career,position or HARD work.

+1
 
Their is not enough money in those jobs to pay the help that much.

In the real world McDonald's might have 10k jobs at $8 an hour, but only 1k at $16.

They would simply automate and replace most of their staff.

I see this in my state all the time, its very anti job and business and the people running it don't live in the real world. Sikorsky is a great example, their slowly but surely gutting their Stratford facility and sending the jobs out of CT, mostly to FL. They are hiring at every single location outside of CT.
 
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The thing is with payroll taxes, if the minimum wage doubled you would have to lay off more than half your employees. More like two thirds or possibly more.

Originally Posted By: apwillard1986
Reality is inconvenient, harsh, and not often politically correct. It is thus very unpopular. It is really very simple. If I own a small business and I have ten minimum wage employees and the minimum wage doubles I will now have five minimum wage employees. I’ll spread the work load amongst a smaller group and I still won’t have any trouble filling those positions because the labor at that level already outstrips demand. Add in the increased demand created by other business owners reducing their minimum wage workforce. Or I might even just contract out the menial jobs and eliminate the jobs all together and with them my liability.
 
I will agree with you here. You are correct in what you predict.

I am not in a franchise at all btw.

Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Are you in a good franchise? I could see what might happen is McD's will invest a billion or 2 and automate half their employees away... Then the small independent guy gets it from both sides, paying higher wages, and McD's actually ends up paying no more for wages than they did before and maintaining their current prices.
Its scary, between off-shoring and automation, I'm pushing my kids to get into robotics as a career, either design or servicing, depending on their ability.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
This is an infuriatingly stupid statement. Prices will not rise 10-20% (and it would be a lot more than that to more than double the minimum wage), what will happen is that restaurants will close and lay off everyone. The ones that remain will either automate or scale back services to reduce wage costs to an acceptable level.

Your utopian thinking is laughable. Seriously. You think a 10-20% price increase is all that is required to cover a 100%+ wage increase? Besides, the wage increase is only half the story. Add on top of that all the taxes a business pays on wages and it is a lot more.

Payroll costs for businesses are insane as it is.

Originally Posted By: IndyIan
If fast food costs 10-20% more to cover a wage increase I don't see any downsides at all. Also money earned by the lowest wage earners goes almost 100% into the economy, with actual taxes paid on it. A big plus to local economies,



Note that I said a wage increase, not doubling wages, could be covered by raising prices slightly.
Minimum wages up here are $10-11 and there is no shortage of fast food joints that must be profitable.
Prices are around 20% higher than the US and prehaps the francise structure is different to cover these "impossible to afford" wages?
If the rules for the market are changed, you might have to adjust, but its the same for every business.
I think eventually we have to have tax laws that actually favor small business over large business, otherwise the 0.1%ers will just accumulate more on the backs of the rest who are fighting for less and less every year.
 
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Sorry, your use of the word "adjust" is just not going to happen. "Close" is the word, as would happen for most of the other business owners I know.

Originally Posted By: IndyIan
If the rules for the market are changed, you might have to adjust, but its the same for every business.
 
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: kschachn
This is an infuriatingly stupid statement. Prices will not rise 10-20% (and it would be a lot more than that to more than double the minimum wage), what will happen is that restaurants will close and lay off everyone. The ones that remain will either automate or scale back services to reduce wage costs to an acceptable level.

Your utopian thinking is laughable. Seriously. You think a 10-20% price increase is all that is required to cover a 100%+ wage increase? Besides, the wage increase is only half the story. Add on top of that all the taxes a business pays on wages and it is a lot more.


My best friend is a chef at a very large facility with multiple restaurants and he was telling me the profit margins in the food service industry. I had no idea they were as tight as they are, usually only 10-15% in sit down and 1-5% in fast food. A local restaurant that is part of a regional chain closed because everyone used their 15% off or $7 of a $25 meal card and they were losing money on every meal.



NO BUSINESS operates on a 5% PM.....at least not until OBAMA care takes full effect !

And if a store went out of business by using promotions than they have bigger problems and need a good Jew !

Promo's carry tax exemptions, its business lost due to advertising.
 
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The fast food industry is highly automated now. The employee headcount is much less than it was in the 80's. It can be more automated than it is now however. It would affect the customer contact employees the most, such as self-ordering and outsourcing of drive-through processing.

Originally Posted By: Blaze
The fast food industry can be easily automated...they better watch out!
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Sorry, your use of the word "adjust" is just not going to happen. "Close" is the word, as would happen for most of the other business owners I know.

Originally Posted By: IndyIan
If the rules for the market are changed, you might have to adjust, but its the same for every business.

You know your business better than I, but sometimes I see that folks are reluctant to charge what they need to charge to stay in business.
If everyone can't maintain their current prices while raising wages, then everyone needs to raise their prices. The market may shrink a bit for a while, but people who go to restaurants will still go.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Its scary, between off-shoring and automation, I'm pushing my kids to get into robotics as a career, either design or servicing, depending on their ability.


as someone who did automation / robotics (sort of skirting it, but know enough to carry a casual conversation), I can tell you there's not much money in that either.

The entire industry is dominated by Japanese and Germans because they have enough volume to carry on the low volume businesses. Most of the Americans are now just reselling and customizing them for local markets from these imports.

Yes a $1M robot sounds like a lot of money but you are only selling a few a month, and need that huge profit margin to survive. Most of that goes into R&D and fixed cost to keep people employed, and every customer wants something slightly different and your R&D can only cover 1-10 pieces. You also get a buy 2 get 8 free deal because of the fixed cost overhead too!!! In the 3 years I was there I only see 2 customer orders with the same R&D spec that does not require extra works. I've worked with sales people that make 5% commission but can only sell a few a year and has to pay for their own travel expense, most of them quit and moved on to something more survivable like real estate agency.

The service workers? They travel the globe but only requires a high school education max, and make your typical auto mechanics income.
 
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Originally Posted By: exranger06
Minimum wage jobs are for kids in high school saving for college, college kids on summer break, and retired people who like to occupy their free time working and making some extra cash. They're not designed to support families. If you need to support a family or even yourself, get a better job.


+1
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
If they strike they should be fired. I own a restaurant and there is a line of people that want jobs. They could be replaced the same day with people happy to accept the current pay rate.

If I had to raise my wages even a buck an hour that would spell doom for my business. All you people that think $16 is acceptable for a minimum-wage job are either grossly ignorant of the real world, delusional or have never owned or operated a business. Or you work for the government.

The thing I just can't understand is why someone thinks a mythical job paying $16 is better than an actual job paying $8. Raise the minimum wage to $16 and there will be a lot of mythical jobs for everybody.

But don't you understand? You are a rich business owner that has NO RIGHT to pay people such low wages. They ALL DESERVE a LIVING WAGE....no matter if that puts you out of business or not. Just because YOU created your business and built it up with hard work, risk, and using sound economic principles....gives you no right to pay below $16 per hour.
 
Sorry, but the VAST majority of food service workers in my area are already getting paid far too much an hour. It's an entry level job for those starting out in the workforce or using the income as a supplement. Some, the good ones, have a goal in mind to move up in the business through hard work and skill improvement. These loser idiots that are working at Burger King at 25 years and older and expect a 'living wage' (unionist-socialist drivel) are nothing more than lazy moochers only a step above lifetime welfare sponges. When I started out in the workforce I did food service jobs. I know what it's like....and I KNEW that I needed to move up or seek better employment or I'd be stuck making low wages. Today, these fools REALLY think they should be making enough money to raise a family while working the drive-thru at Jack in the Box? When this this sort of stupidity take hold?
 
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