F1 Lost Wages already a joke

[Vercingetorix]

Las Vegas GP: FP1 cancelled after track issues lead to a big hit for Carlos Sainz

F 1 aborted the opening practice session for the Las Vegas Grand Prix after a drain cover shattered the floor of Carlos Sainz's Ferrari.

www.planetf1.com

They really need to stick to dedicated tracks. There are plenty of them in Europe. This is a joke. I read that FIA violated their own rules by not certifying this track one day ahead of cars being on track.

 

[TheLastWord]

Add this:

What the Hell Is Going on at the Las Vegas Grand Prix?

Formula 1’s extravagant return to the Strip is getting battered

www.insidehook.com

 

[billt460]

Long Beach has been successfully doing this for years with Indy cars. So has Detroit and several other cities. Street tracks are all over the F1 calendar, from Monaco to Russia.

There is no reason Las Vegas, with all of their money can't make this happen. Like most of these things, they've got the wrong people in charge.

If Sochi, Russia can build a street course, it's ridiculous to think a place like Las Vegas can't.

 

[ArrestMeRedZ]

8 minutes into the first practice session, two cars seriously damaged. Chassis destroyed. Loose drain covers. Practice session canceled, officials on track for inspections.
Locals seem to be 20 to 1 against the event. There has already been a massive impact on ability to get to work on the Strip, and now the race is here, it will be worse. Taxis and Ubers are refusing to take people to the Strip, they are stuck in traffic too long.
F1 people came into town like prima donnas. Said they would pay all expenses, then went to the County to cover half of the cost later. Demanded every business along the course pay a large fee based upon their building capacity. Threatened to build walls to block the view unless the juice was paid. Ticket prices and other costs (food, lodging) were through the roof, now they are, for the most part, way down.
Comparing Vegas to backwater third world places (Sochi, Long Beach, lol) isn't that appropriate. Normal traffic flow on the main arteries where the course was being built is just too heavy to take out of service.
This race hasn't helped the tourist industry, it has hurt it. Hotels increasing their rates initially by a factor of 4 to 10 hasn't helped. Now they are giving rooms away. Everything associated with F1 forgot the adage "You can shear a sheep any number of times, but you can only skin him once."

 

[barryh]

This is not a new issue for street circuits. F1 knows that the ground effect vacuum under the car will suck up manhole covers which is why they have been tack welded or screwed down at other circuits. Seems it was entirely predictable outcome if the manholes covers hadn't been properly secured in some way.

 

[billt460]

This is not a new issue for street circuits. F1 knows that the ground effect vacuum under the car will suck up manhole covers which is why they have been tack welded or screwed down at other circuits. Seems it was entirely predictable outcome if the manholes covers hadn't been properly secured in some way.

It's hard to believe they didn't know in advance about welding the manhole covers down. That's as basic as it gets in open wheel street circuits.

There are several videos of watching them prepare for the Long Beach Grand Prix. And among the first things they do is weld all of the manhole covers in place. The downforce of a Indy or F1 car at speed will suck those things up like a paper cup.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Fp2 is starting 2:30 am local.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Carlos gets a penalty because F1 is a clownshow.

 

[Touring5]

I hope it's a massive fail. And yes, I'm still bitter about Michelin's garbage tires ruining/dooming F1 at IMS.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Las Vegas GP: FP1 cancelled after track issues lead to a big hit for Carlos Sainz

F 1 aborted the opening practice session for the Las Vegas Grand Prix after a drain cover shattered the floor of Carlos Sainz's Ferrari.

www.planetf1.com

They really need to stick to dedicated tracks. There are plenty of them in Europe. This is a joke. I read that FIA violated their own rules by not certifying this track one day ahead of cars being on track.

What's up with the rant? Street circuits are a part of F1. There were 5 others on the schedule.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I hope it's a massive fail. And yes, I'm still bitter about Michelin's garbage tires ruining/dooming F1 at IMS.

Why?

8 minutes into the first practice session, two cars seriously damaged. Chassis destroyed. Loose drain covers. Practice session canceled, officials on track for inspections.
Locals seem to be 20 to 1 against the event. There has already been a massive impact on ability to get to work on the Strip, and now the race is here, it will be worse. Taxis and Ubers are refusing to take people to the Strip, they are stuck in traffic too long.
F1 people came into town like prima donnas. Said they would pay all expenses, then went to the County to cover half of the cost later. Demanded every business along the course pay a large fee based upon their building capacity. Threatened to build walls to block the view unless the juice was paid. Ticket prices and other costs (food, lodging) were through the roof, now they are, for the most part, way down.
Comparing Vegas to backwater third world places (Sochi, Long Beach, lol) isn't that appropriate. Normal traffic flow on the main arteries where the course was being built is just too heavy to take out of service.
This race hasn't helped the tourist industry, it has hurt it. Hotels increasing their rates initially by a factor of 4 to 10 hasn't helped. Now they are giving rooms away. Everything associated with F1 forgot the adage "You can shear a sheep any number of times, but you can only skin him once."

Casino workers can be some of the most entitled lot you'll ever come across. Losing their minds because a 15 min commute turned into 30 mins. Yes the initial paving project was a mess, but that's a one time thing and nothing like the closure of the overpass at Tropicana.

 

[ls973800]

I've read that taxis and Lyft/Uber have a $15.00 surcharge now added to the fare because the drivers didn't want to drive in the hectic conditions of road closures, blockage, etc. Many of the drivers were planning on taking a "vacation" during the race period because they were fearful of not making money.

 

[racer12306]

If they can make Pratt St in Baltimore a straightaway, no one else has any excuse.



I legit have no idea what I'm talking about in the F1/Indy world, but Pratt St SUCKS in a commuter car.

 

[Pablo]

Carlos gets a penalty because F1 is a clownshow.

10 spots!

What an absolute JOKE. F1 can suck it.

 

[ArrestMeRedZ]

FP 2 completed to empty grandstands. Apparently Security wasn't available at that unanticipated time so they cleared the grandstands. Looks like they got the track problems cleared up.
Can't comment about the commute time from personal experience as i avoid the Strip like the Plague, but the Review Journal has indicated some 15 minute commutes are taking 2-3 hours. I'll ask some Strip workers how much they have been impacted on Sunday if they make it to the pub.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I've read that taxis and Lyft/Uber have a $15.00 surcharge now added to the fare because the drivers didn't want to drive in the hectic conditions of road closures, blockage, etc. Many of the drivers were planning on taking a "vacation" during the race period because they were fearful of not making money.

From what I read the problem with surge pricing is that the drivers do not get a cut. I don't know if that's true or not but it would make sense. In addition a lot of Uber/Lyft drivers in LV do it as a side gig.

 

[Vercingetorix]

What's up with the rant? Street circuits are a part of F1. There were 5 others on the schedule.

Doesn’t mean they are good. Hockenheim, Nurburgring, Estoril are all better than any street circuit. I can name more.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Doesn’t mean they are good. Hockenheim, Nurburgring, Estoril are all better than any street circuit. I can name more.

Street circuits have a historical places in F1. It's part of their DNA. In any case they get it right most of the time. The last time a car was damaged like this was in Baku 2019 (Williams). It's not the end of the world that some make it out to be.

 

[andreigbs]

Live and learn, like most any other arena of life.

However, a penalty to a driver for something outside of his control is unfair to say the least.

 

[billt460]

Doesn’t mean they are good. Hockenheim, Nurburgring, Estoril are all better than any street circuit. I can name more.

Monaco is one of the most prestigious races on the F1 schedule. And the one that every driver wants on his resume. Yet it's horrible for passing. That circuit is all but impossible to overtake on, without taking serious chances.

It's also one of the most popular. In spite of it being a game of follow the leader. I think Schumacher was one of the first to lap it, with an average over 100 MPH.

That's a snail's pace in F1... Especially with the V-10's. They even have to change the steering in the cars, so they can make it through the hairpin.