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We had a ton of questions...were you in during Top Gun,? Astro we had so many!!! How many missions? To be honest my buddy Frank and I were talking about it for days! Amazing stuff to guys on submarines.
I wish you guys didn’t have such an early flight the next day, I would have happily answered every question, though I think the topic of greatest interest to your team was, “how to pay for college”, another topic with which I am quite familiar.

In answer to your question, I applied for Aviation Officer Candidate School in February of my senior year in college. The application was in process when the movie “Top Gun” came out. I dragged all my buddies, who thought I was crazy for joining the Navy, to the movie and said, “See! This is what I am talking about!” 😎
 
I wish you guys didn’t have such an early flight the next day, I would have happily answered every question, though I think the topic of greatest interest to your team was, “how to pay for college”, another topic with which I am quite familiar.

In answer to your question, I applied for Aviation Officer Candidate School in February of my senior year in college. The application was in process when the movie “Top Gun” came out. I dragged all my buddies, who thought I was crazy for joining the Navy, to the movie and said, “See! This is what I am talking about!” 😎
Top Gun was the best recruiting movie EVER. Sub guys joined because of it. ASTRO to be fair when I said it wasn't rocket science...I was wrong.
 
A question for flying any fighter aircraft, not just the F-14.... How uncomfortable is it to wear, and breath through an oxygen mask? How much of your exhaled breath do you rebreath?

I've never had one on, but I have worn those clear, plastic medical oxygen masks that go over your nose and mouth. And they're horrible. You can watch the condensation build up on the inside of the mask, because you are inhaling part of the last breath you just exhaled.

Do aircraft oxygen face masks push more oxygen in order to help prevent this?
 
A question for flying any fighter aircraft, not just the F-14.... How uncomfortable is it to wear, and breath through an oxygen mask? How much of your exhaled breath do you rebreath?

I've never had one on, but I have worn those clear, plastic medical oxygen masks that go over your nose and mouth. And they're horrible. You can watch the condensation build up on the inside of the mask, because you are inhaling part of the last breath you just exhaled.

Do aircraft oxygen face masks push more oxygen in order to help prevent this?
Navy regulations required that you wear the mask anytime you were on the flight deck, and from takeoff to landing, and I was always conscientious about that. Other folks were not, and suffered some severe consequences as a result.

There was a famous mishap in which crew took off their masks and helmets for a photo opportunity with another airplane, after the photo was taken, that crew dropped back a bit from the formation, and was never seen again, the aircraft hit the ground about 10 minutes later and they did not survive. Without a flight data recorder, the working theory was hypoxia.

A squadron mate, and frequent bozo in the airplane, was flying around one night without his mask on, and got the bends. Nitrogen narcosis, the result of the nitrogen in his blood boiling off at altitude, he was able to make an emergency landing, and got rushed to the pressure chamber at Norfolk Navy base where the N2 went back in solution. Don’t worry, he flies for UPS now.

I never found the masks objectionable. I have a rather long face, as measured from the bridge of my nose to the bottom of my chin, and so I had to get a rather unusual size mask, but once I got one that fit, the thing just worked great.

We each had our own masks. There is no sharing, or common use. So, I was careful to clean the thing, and keep it clean. I would’ve been a lot less inclined to use it, had it been something that I had to share with other people. Clamping something on your face for hours at a time when it’s a common use item, just seems a little, unsanitary.

Breathing is pretty easy with them on, there’s not a whole lot of your breath coming back in. But it’s not like breathing through a paper bag - what’s coming in is 100% pure oxygen in Navy aircraft (the Air Force uses diluted oxygen) So, even if there’s just a little bit of mixing with your exhaled breath, the fact that you’re breathing in 100% pure oxygen means it’s way easier to breathe, and you’re getting more oxygen than you do breathing pure air at sea level.

Your breath, the carbon dioxide, and the moisture in it, are completely exhaled. And what’s coming in is pure, dry, oxygen it’s nothing like the medical mask that you experienced, that’s clammy and has a little bit of oxygen coming in. What you’re breathing in with those is a mix of ambient air, exhale, air, and oxygen. What we got was pure O2 - dry, clean, odorless. In fact, I always carried a plastic canteen/water bottle, because that stuff would dry you out.

By the way, after a few minutes, on pure oxygen, most of the nitrogen in your blood comes out of solution. So, even if you take the airplane up to a very high altitude, you’re not susceptible to the bend, unless you’re a bozo, and were flying around with your mask off.

Once you start taking the airplane up to high altitude, the cabin altitude inside the cockpit gets pretty high as well. For example, when I once took the airplane up to 60,000 feet, the cabin altitude inside the airplane was over 27,000 feet at that altitude, the oxygen regulator is pushing, sea level pressure onto your face, and there is a substantial difference between sea level pressure inside the mask, and the cockpit pressure outside the mask, so the O2 is being forced into your lungs, and exhalation is actually something you have to, physically, consciously, do. Breathing out took some real effort.

Most of the time I wasn’t even aware that I was wearing the mask. It was just part of the kit from head to toe; I had on a helmet, oxygen mask, flight suit, torso harness that went from my legs up over my shoulders, and around my chest, survival vest attached to the torso harness, G-suit, boots, and gloves. The thing on my face was just another part of the whole experience. The connection of the oxygen mask into the seat itself, included the communications wiring. So, as you plugged into the airplane, you connected the microphone that was in the mask, and the speakers that were in your helmet. Because the mask and the helmet were separate pieces, there was a little connector plug between the mask and the speakers in the helmet.

The one time the oxygen mask became an issue was when I was at low altitude, in Puerto Rico, running in on a bombing target. We had been at 500 feet, 480 knots, running in at low altitude. As we “popped up“ for the weapon delivery, we peaked at about 4000 feet, rolled, inverted, and began pulling down to deliver the bombs to the bull’s-eye. While we were inverted, I took a quick glance to my left, to check my relative position against my wingman when I came back, that communication cord that connected my oxygen mask to the speakers in my helmet earcup became disconnected.

I wasn’t aware that it happened.

So, as we pointed at the ground at over 480 kn, well above an airspeed at which an ejection would be survivable, I could not hear the range officer clear us “Hot“ for weapon delivery. Our bombs were live, and this was a very important, safety consideration. I asked my RIO if we were cleared hot, but because my helmet speakers were disconnected, I couldn’t hear even myself, so I said it really loud.

Hearing nothing, I repeated, “ARE WE CLEARED HOT?” But all my RIO heard was my unintelligible yelling, because I was so loud.

As my RIO, “Vart” tells the story to this day, “Here we are, pointed at the ground, at 500 knots, too fast to survive an ejection, with seconds to impact, and Astro is yelling unintelligibly, and I am wondering what the **** is wrong, if I am about to die or, if this is all going to work out…”.

I did not drop the bombs (since I didn’t have clearance) at release altitude, I pulled up and off target, rejoined the flight, and realized what had happened. I plugged that little cord back in, and, much to Vart’s relief, was able to hear him, and the radios, again.
 
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Does breathing pure oxygen give you a, "boost"? By that I mean is it like the feeling of alertness you get after a really strong cup of coffee?... And can you guess about how far it is from horizon to horizon at 60, 000 ft.?
 
Does breathing pure oxygen give you a, "boost"? By that I mean is it like the feeling of alertness you get after a really strong cup of coffee?... And can you guess about how far it is from horizon to horizon at 60, 000 ft.?
It does make you feel more alert. I am told it does help with a hangover, and though I can’t say I ever flew truly, badly hung over, I certainly know guys that did.

When your body is under stress, be that stress, mental or physical, pure oxygen sure helps. Sustained high G level requires a great deal of muscular activity, particularly in your lower extremities, in order to raise your blood pressure and keep the oxygenated blood blood going to your brain. You have only five seconds of useful consciousness, if your blood pressure is not sufficient to get oxygenated blood up to your brain.

It is a basic hydraulic problem. The distance from your heart to your brain is fixed. An increase in the force of gravity requires greater hydraulic pressure at your heart in order for the blood to go up to that height. If you are in good physical/aerobic shape, and have low blood pressure normally, as I do, then you need to increase your blood pressure considerably in order to keep the blood flowing to your brain under G. I'm good, or I was good, for about 3G static, just resting.

The greater the G loading, the greater the pressure needed. So, not only does it take muscular strength to hold your head up against the G, or manage the Flight controls and throttles against the G, but your squeezing your thighs, calves and your abdomen against the G suit, to raise your thoracic pressure, squeezing everything to raise your BP.

So, for me, to get over 3G, I needed to start straining. 9G was incredible work for me - shorter guys, or more muscular guys - had an advantage. I spent a lot of time doing cardio, as well as lifting weights. I could handle sustained 6G for a long, long time, but much over that, was a challenge for me.

Pure oxygen was great while performing that level of physical/muscular and cardiovascular exertion.
 
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In the movie, "Officer And A Gentleman", they had a scene when they were in a pressure chamber, and showed just how quickly your reactions decrease with loss of oxygen. They became almost childlike with silliness and loss of control of their motor skills.

I had read about the Payne Stewart Lear Jet crash, and they said they became unconscious very quickly. So much so that after that crash they changed the sequence of events of what to do in that situation.

Putting on a supplemental oxygen mask was moved to number 1 on the checklist, before doing anything else. Hard to believe it was ever not #1.
 
“Oxygen masks on, regulators, 100%” is the first step in a couple of our airline procedures.

And yeah, the chamber was fun, you feel warm, fuzzy, happy when running out of oxygen. And the fact that you cannot do “patty cake” becomes amusing, not frustrating. There is no fear, or worry, just happiness.

You can see your fingernails turning blue, you are cyanotic, and oxygen deprived.

The whole point of the chamber is to get you familiar with that feeling, so if you experience it in the aircraft, you realize what is happening, instead of retreating to the happy warm place that most people find themselves.

By experiencing it in benign conditions, you know when to put on your mask. The Navy was good about providing us the experience in the chamber. I don’t know of any commercial operator that does the same, perhaps that would’ve made a difference in the Payne Stewart incident.
 
Does breathing pure oxygen give you a, "boost"? By that I mean is it like the feeling of alertness you get after a really strong cup of coffee?
I was a PR in VF126 NAS Miramar 1988-92 and had access to all pilot fight gear. We use to do frequent DET's to El Centro CA. where it was pretty common to close down the 2 local watering halls at 2AM then have to be at the hanger at 6AM for operations.
I use to get frequent request for use of a O2 mask from a AME to go a do a "O2 check" on our aircraft early in the mornings and there would always be another 7-10 people with him as well also doing "checks". I wasn't much of a drinker myself so I never tried it but those that did swore it helped them get through the day.
 
When you went into the pressure chamber and they started lowering the pressure, (raising the altitude), do people have problems with ear pain?
It's usually the other way around. Almost everyone can naturally adjust to reduced pressure. Moving the jaw (like chewing gum) can help equalize if there us a problem.The higher pressure in the ears just blows out.
Many people have to do a manual procedure called a valsalva maneuver to equalize the ears when going from low pressure (altitude) to higher pressure (sea level). Feeling the pressure and staying ahead of it is the key.
I used to have major problems with my ears and altitude changes before the Air Force taught me that simple procedure.
 
If even a modest increase in air pressure happens too quickly it can burst eardrums.

Many years ago I worked in a large pharmaceutical company where the buildings were slightly over pressurised to ensure only clean filtered air could get in there. That's standard practice in the industry. What wasn't standard at the time was that in one new building they used variable speed drives on the HVAC supply fans to control the small differential pressure required. One day the fan controllers or air pressure sensors failed resulting in the fans ramping up to full speed. The increase in pressure was only a few inches water gauge but it was enough that the staff in the building couldn't escape because the large doors opened inwards and wouldn't move against the air pressure. The increase in air pressure was nothing in comparison to the changes experienced as a plane descends but it happened fast enough that every person in there suffered perforated ear drums.
 
It makes me wonder how these freedivers can descend to well over 150 ft. Underwater while holding their breath. You would think their eardrums would explode.
I think they pause and Valsalva on the way down, continually equalizing the pressure. The descent (increase in outside pressure) is always the hard part. Getting more air from your throat into your inner ear through the Eustachian tube is difficult.

Excess pressure from inside your ear is easily vented out through the same tube just by wiggling your jaw.
 
I used to do SCUBA diving since I was 15 years old and was taught about Nitrogen Narcosis regarding sport diving diving [depth and time] Never thought about it in an airplane [unpressurized.]... Interesting.
 
This guy set the world record at 702 feet! He stopped both on the way down, and again on the way up. It's unbelievable how the body can survive that kind of pressure. Even if it's only for a few seconds.

 
When I took advanced SCUBA diving classes we went to about 30 feet and sat in a circle at the bottom one of the group turned on the tank so that after you exhaled there was no air [this was to practice an emergency accent] You started to blow bubbles from your mouth to keep the glottus open to, prevent an embolism in your lungs and then dropped the weight belt and started assenting. I thought I was going to die and at around 15 feet the and because the pressure change air came rushing out of my mouth and the rest of the assent was easy.
 
Hi.
I will post two links to recent videos that our own Astro and other members may be interested in. My links often fail so i would be grateful if some kind sole could rectify it. Part 2 seems 'unavalable'.

The Pilot being interviewed is a former RAF, F4 Phantom pilot who was offered an exchange with the US Navy flying the F14. He obviously jumped at the chance and this is his story.

@Astro14 , A little earlier than your time on the F14, but the places and names will be relevant to you. I hope it makes you smile, particularly his first deck landing. I hope you enjoy it.



 
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