Ever have to chase passenger out of your seat on airplane ?
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Evidently, you have never flown with Spirit. It is something most people only do once.
Aw, I've done it a few times, but I must admit I expected the Dean of Students to board the plane and haul the flight crew back to classes at any moment.
No, I fly cattle class, no one, including me, really wants my seat
Twice to Puerto Rico from Boston was enough for me on Spirit. 4 hrs is too long and the price does not filter especially when wife won’t pay for seats more forward in plane.
I booked delta last time to Puerto Rico and paid a tiny bit to move up in plane. Very pleasant.
A major "benefit" of airline de-regulation is the opportunity to fly in cattle cars for humans.
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Yep. It’s not Like public transit, there is competition and more room if you’re willing to pay. Just like vehicles, you want more room, you pay for a bigger vehicle.
And the lowering of prices by over 90% in real terms.
You’re paying 10% of what people used to pay for travel - that’s an amazing bargain. Truly amazing.
When I used to fly, rarely, in the 1960s, I was in a jacket and tie. That is how people dressed when a round trip ticket for a family of four from Winnipeg to Denver cost as much as the family’s new car. The term, “the jet set” originated in the 1960s, when air travel was really only for the very wealthy. To this day, it still means wealthy and fashionable people traveling around the world.
If you would like to pay what people used to pay - then fly first class, which is still cheaper today than economy was back then, and you can avoid the “cattle car”.
Or, book a business jet, all for yourself. Get a fractional ownership, or just charter one for a single trip, and, for a family of four, you, too can fly back and forth between Vermont and Florida without the cattle car experience.
It should only cost about $40,000 for that, which is on par with what air travel cost prior to de-regulation.
And seat comfort/room/pitch in the main cabin has gone down accordingly.
Nobody is arguing to the contrary.
But whining about it completely ignores the fact that air travel is now accessible when it was once only for the wealthy.
What we pay $400 for now, used to cost more than ten times as much, so, no surprise, the product doesn’t have the legroom that it once did, but now, people can afford to go places, when they once could not.
And for people who don’t like the cattle car experience - luxury options exist, many of them in the front of the very same airplane.
I’m totally fine with re-regulating air travel, by the way, say hello to fixed, good wages for the folks in the industry, flight attendants that have to learn to carve a roast instead of slinging bags of salty snacks, much bigger seats, people who dress appropriately and behave appropriately, flying on routes approved by the government.
Round trip in economy from NYC-HNL would start at about $10,000. That should keep the hairballs out, passenger misconduct would dwindle, and then, the whining about small seats would stop as well.
I noticed many people boarding a passenger jet look like they are heading to Walmart.
Teens wearing flip flops and socks boarding, they looked they they just rolled out of bed.
Very disappointed parents would let their 3 kids dress like that.
My feet are not touching wall from seat 1A.
Teens wearing flip flops and socks boarding, they looked they they just rolled out of bed.
Very disappointed parents would let their 3 kids dress like that.
My feet are not touching wall from seat 1A.
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I've had to do it more than once. People can't read the numbers. I don't fly anymore...and that's a good thing.
People are packed in tightly. To save fuel, the air exchange system is put on low. After a long flight, I usually have some form of respiratory distress. At least they no longer allow smoking on the aircraft.
You get what you pay for.
You get what you pay for.
I can handle the flip flops. What ticked me off was a woman wearing dirty bedroom slippers, that decided mid flight to clip her dirty toenails. The clippings flew in every direction, and left the floor littered with them.
I do kind of care how professionals dress. I have seen some cops that look like they were recently released from prison. Does not instill confidence. What about a surgeon? Does anyone really want to see a Hells Angel biker looking guy doing your surgery? I don't.
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I didn't say I don't care how pilots are "dressed", I said I don't care how passengers are dressed.
Even pilot's can get away with looking unprofessional today.
Do I think an airline pilot wearing a short sleeve shirt showing both arms covered in Tatoos looks profesional, no, but it's allowed today.
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It's the declining professionalism of aircraft maintenance that concerns me most.
This seems to happen to me all the time. Most often, someone sits one row up or down from where they are supposed to be. Those are honest mistakes, and are the best situation. Another situation involves folks who try to do a minor upgrade by moving from an assigned middle seat to, say, and aisle seat.
Then there are brazen people with an alternate set of moral rules and questionable upbringing, who deliberately self upgrade by sitting in first class when they have an economy ticket. Sometimes they are belligerent, and claim to have a ticket. The flight attendant must get involved.
My approach is to ask the person in the seat if they have a boarding pass. Since there is a non-zero possibility that the airline issued two tickets for one seat, I ask the flight attendant. If I have the rightful ticket, I will be in that seat. I let all parties know that I am not happy.
Then there are brazen people with an alternate set of moral rules and questionable upbringing, who deliberately self upgrade by sitting in first class when they have an economy ticket. Sometimes they are belligerent, and claim to have a ticket. The flight attendant must get involved.
My approach is to ask the person in the seat if they have a boarding pass. Since there is a non-zero possibility that the airline issued two tickets for one seat, I ask the flight attendant. If I have the rightful ticket, I will be in that seat. I let all parties know that I am not happy.
“The air exchange system is put on low”…
What on earth are you talking about?
There is no “low” on any of the airplanes I’ve flown. Every single one has built in HEPA filters, too.
During CV-19, the air on airplanes was cleaner than the air in hospitals. DOD did a study.
If you don’t feel well after flying, look to your own hydration, noise sensitivity or altitude sensitivity.
You may find the 787 considerably better as it is quieter and operates with a lower cabin altitude.
Complain about the seat pitch all you like, that’s an actual thing. It’s documented. Measurable.
But don’t go making up fantasies, or buying internet myth, about the “air on low” - because that ridiculous claim belongs in the same category as this:
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