Even in Europe. Asian cars, among the best. Euro cars the worst.

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Define "reliable". Does this mean the owners were less likely to repair their car? lol. "Reliable" and cheap does not mean best, not by a long shot. Let me see, poorer countries making cheaper cars that have more basic designs, what's the big news? Does that suprise anyone? How about "longevity"? The average Hundai I see on the American road is about 3 years old. There will always be a market in the US for cheap cars, as well as exceptional performing cars that are safe and last "long time". "Reliable" to me means 20 years and 1/4 million miles later, the car runs fine and requires little more than a bit of fiddling and remains superior to late-model econoboxes. How about a car that doesn't handle like a toad? Sorry, I would NOT trade my 1987 Audi for ANY Hundai.


This gem made it to 50k...

http://www.autoextra.com/vehicledetail/adid-23804244/do-basic

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Is this the brand you are saying is so great?
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Just to let you know. I've rented a 1997(6?) A4 2.8 L Quattro. I still think my Tiburon is a blast to drive. well except for in the snow that is. And that Hyundai you posted is in bad condition, has a awful Mitsubishi Motor and Transmission. What do you mean by "Cheap"? Do you mean "value"? Sorry, I don't want to spend $2,000 on a Faulty ABS system. its Hyundai by the way.

We all know in the USA and Europe that European cars are falling in Reliability and Korean, Japanese cars are the most reliable. You can read them anywhere... Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, "what car" magazine, TOp gear, JD Power.. your choice,, its there. Don't get me wrong, I do love the Swedish cars especially SAAB, and I really want a Mercedes Benz E320 CDI.

SInce you want to show me a beat up Hyundai,, heres some beat up Audi's

http://www.specializedgerman.com/audi-models/90.htm
 
How come the Hyundai Tiburon with the 170HP 2.7L V6 gets only 19/26 city/highway?

That's pretty lousy fuel economy for an engine of that size in a car of that size.

225HP 5.0L V8 Mustang gets 17/24 city/highway, for comparison.
 
Hyundai sucks. Hyundai stands for "Miscellaneous Oddball Parts Assembled Randomly".
But Ford sucks too. It stands for "Fix it Again, Tony".
Ladas are the best. My friend says so, and he knows a lot about cars.
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Hyundai does sound like they're getting better, and they're making some cars that look decent too. The new Sonata looks good, and I like the 2nd gen Tiburon. I won't touch them until I personally know someone who has had good long-term experiences with them though. I do know a few people that have or have had them, but only for a few years.
 
I am confused. I though Fiat stood for "fix or repair daily" and Mopar stood for ... Oh, never mind...

I like the new Lexus IS350. Toyota seems to be quickly surpasing the Germans with their engine technology. Dual VVTi, direct to cylinder fuel injection, plus, they have reliable electrical systems.
 
Yeah, the only thing this table proves is that British Audi owners are sophisticated and demanding when it comes to maintaining their finely crafted German automobiles. And that SAABs are just driven really hard. Everyone knows Land Rovers suck....
 
Hyundai's the kind of car you drive for 30k then give to your teenage daughter so she can total it or blow the engine/tranny up (not hard to do on this P.0.S). Average life expectancy is five years, 60k.
 
I had to chime in on this topic. I had a 2000 Volkswagen Jetta TDI. I had so many problems with that car. Traded it for a Honda and have never been so happy.
 
All that survey tell me is that Hundai owners were less inclined to discern problems with their car, take them in for service and/or spend money on them. If I drove a disposable grade car, I'd skip the "full service" too. I could buy $25 Chinese rotors for my car too, but opt for top-grade, like Brembros...like the race cars use. My "total cost" is higher, my performance is higher and car will last longer. PLEASE explain to me how Hundais and other Asians are so very much less expemsive, job for job? How is a torn CV boot so much cheaper to repair on one brand? Same basic job, the boot costs peanuts and afaik, dealer-qualified services are about $70-$80+/hour ANYWHERE you go? What about brakes? Sometimes my pads of choice cost only $20-$30...am I looking for the absolute cheapest ones? Some drives are. Is the total brake job somehow exponentially harder on German cars? Don't think so. Checking CR today, Sonata handling was described as bad, 3 different ways...nice, I'm sold because it's cheap...Oh, yeah: "reliable" too.
 
"Audi is the best car in the world.
don't argue against it, all other cars are trash"

I told you, go check out a BMW 3-Series and compare it to your car, room, ride, performance and handling. "Reliability" is in the eyes of the beholder. Don't forget to check out a Hundai Scoupe afterwards.
 
"I had a 2000 Volkswagen Jetta TDI. I had so many problems with that car. Traded it for a Honda and have never been so happy."

I think you'd be surprised with service costs onthe Honda. One example that comes to mind is a friend who had an Accord...it needed a clutch cable. Ok, I admit our local Honda dealership is a bunch of jerk-offs. It was a pull-the-engine- level job, $600. On your Jetta, It's 15 minutes and $40 for the part. MY2000 VW...that's not exactly super-solid reliable and I'm not making excuses for that generation. You bought it, deal with it.
 
"Sorry, I don't want to spend $2,000 on a Faulty ABS system"

I don't know exactly what you mean, are you talking about ABS control module? The failing Asian elektroniks portion is about $200. No problem on my 1999. Matter of a fact, records on my car shows absolutely NO WARRANTY REPAIRS at all. Oh yeah, older A6s kinda blow. My MIL has a '95 Avant. At 140k, the mechanicals have been excellent, but they drive kinda poopy...no virtual-axis steering geometry. Drive a newer one, seriously. Also, I'm not shre how your totalled Audis fit into this discussion, but it's STILL cost/effektiv to repair those 10-15 year old ones on the link, thanks for that.
 
"I've driven a 2002 BMW 325i, all i can say that the 2006 Hyundai Sonata V6 is better for my taste"

That says it all. Consumer Reports says it drive like poo. If you can't tell the difference or can't afford a nice car, see you in 3 years when you junk the Hundai.

BTW you never answered my questions about job-for-job reapir costs. Add up a TB, Brake job, CV boot a wheel bearing and a muffler for the two and get back to me. I paid $60 a section for Coupe GT mufflers, Ansa...made in Italy. Radiator for my A4 was $180, is the Hundai radiator cheap enough to make me want to drive a p0S? Nah.

[ October 11, 2005, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: Audi Junkie ]
 
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Originally posted by ediamiam:
hmmm. youse guys are urinating for distance. bet this gets shut down pretty quick before the feces starts flying.

ya, I agree. this is getting annoying quick. this "my car is better than your car" crap
 
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