Really? SO it's ok that Tesla spend money on building plants, R&D, but not GM?
GM is ending the bolt. Honda and gm ended their partnership to "get Tesla". VW cancelled their plans to do a multi billion dollar ev expansion, so did Mercedes, Toyota is barely luke warm towards EVs, ford is cutting back lightning production. Honda never really enterd the chat and Hyundai barely did.
Incorrect, GM is not ending the Bolt, but even if they did, so what? They already have more than Triple the EVs in the pipeline as Tesla. Tesla will never catch up.
A lot can change in November, and EVs can take a big hit if this team gets voted out.
Yeah that's the thing with gm they always have the solution to whatever in the pipeline and it never materializes.
EVs are probably here to stay with the only serious manufacturer being Tesla.
I wouldn't count anyone out, take a look at BYD. Automakers have come and gone throughout history. I remember when Toyota and Honda started to become popular in the US, now look at them. I started selling KIA in 2001, I'd say they grew substantially even prior to Hyundai buying them. To think that any of them, especially Toyota is going to rollover and play dead, I doubt it, give them time. If I had to bet I'd say within the next ten years Tesla's success will be slowly sinking, with EV buyers moving to other brands.
That's what happens when your the number one selling brand for 90 years. You can play around with what works. I don't think anyone had a worse record than Tesla bringing a truck to market years behind, and talk of the new cheaper car to come out that we still wait for.
10 CFR part 474 is the federal law which dictates EV economy calculations for CAFE compliance. It was amended in 2023 to lower the MPGe rating from a ridiculous 300 - 400 MPGe for most EVs. The amendment states the Solar, Wind, Hydroelectric, AND Nuclear will be considered to operate at a 100% conversion rate to electricity. Imagine signing your name on a law that ignores all known laws of science! This extreme distortion of science delivers a falsely inflated energy grid efficiency, and therefore a higher conversion rate of one gallon of gasoline to electricity resulting in double the actual mileage for an EV. The whole purpose of the amendment was to force manufacturers to produce more EVs by lowering this MPGe rating. It's all complete scientific nonsense. Trust me I'm an EE. With this formula in 2029 a Lucid Air will be rated around 97 MPGe.
You literally joined just to post this? It doesn't change anything of the efficiency when it comes to cost. We know there have been problems even with mileage estimates, but it seems they've finally figured that out over the last two years. EPA/CAFE/whoever must have made some serious changes. Cars are repeatedly getting more range than estimates almost across the board.
Yes I did join just to reply to the original post and wanted to point out the complete distortion of the science I hold so dearly. Maybe you don't understand that reasoning but it means a lot to me.
I agree completely with everything. My ex wife who graduated with me with a EE drives a model 3. She absolutely loves it. She was still disturbed when I told her the EPA's MPGe calculation method. Teslas are fantastic vehicles so please don't misunderstand my statements. Excellent, excellent vehicles. But a 52 mpg Camry hybrid uses less raw energy than any EV on the market which might be of consideration to some. The EPA/CAFE numbers are not suspect. They are intentionally deceptive. This is my reason for agreeing with the original post and citing facts supporting it. I have no desire to offend anyone. Please don't take me the wrong way. I almost bought an EV in 2003 but it was 600 miles to my parents house and this was impossible at the time going through the Appalachian mountains. Still not an easy trek for an EV with very little charging infrastructure around. So I bought an ICE vehicle that I still own today that has 118k miles. It has another 100k and 10 years of life left at least so for me a much better investment. Most EV's will require a new main battery to achieve the 30 year lifespan I'll get out of this car.
You don't have to write a dissertation or know any laws of thermodynamics to know that YMMV, and it states as much on the sticker. I didn't look at the mpge ratings of either of my EVs before buying them and I don't really care what they are. I just know it costs me less than the ICE vehicles I sold and I can quantify that by looking at how much my electric bill went up vs my past gasoline purchases.
My sincere apologies for offending you I did not have this intention. I agree with your assessment of vehicle choice and I understand completely the amount of fuel savings. I am not trying to offend people's choice of driving an EV.
Looks like they uncanceled the bolt after electric truck sales flopped as the plan a year ago was to turn the bolt plant into an electric truck plant.
