Well, you're obviously convinced you have it all figured out.
I guess that's all that matters.
EV charging example costs more than it would to fill up a premium fuel car
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I guess that's all that matters.
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absolutely all that matters.
We have a plug in hybrid (Ford Fusion Energi). Used as a commuter car and errand runner.
The explorer costs 2.75 times more expensive per mile or the F150 costs 3.6 times more per mile for energy at current gas prices.
(Yes there is a cost to having three vehicles, but in our case we have three drivers and need all 3)
Some math if anyone cares as an example:
Last tank of gas:
10 gallons of E10 at 3.099 = $31
256 kWh of Electricity @ .1238 per kWh= $31.69 (worst case assuming all of it was charge at home - which some was at the "free to me" charging station at work.)
Drove 1287 miles on $62.69 of energy
Equivalent at current average regular gas price in Mn is $3.08 = 62.69/3.08= 20.35 gallons of gas
That would net me 362 miles in the F150 or 468 miles in the explorer.
We plug in at home or when it makes sense (like free).
There are cases where the economics are hard to ignore.
The explorer costs 2.75 times more expensive per mile or the F150 costs 3.6 times more per mile for energy at current gas prices.
(Yes there is a cost to having three vehicles, but in our case we have three drivers and need all 3)
Some math if anyone cares as an example:
Last tank of gas:
10 gallons of E10 at 3.099 = $31
256 kWh of Electricity @ .1238 per kWh= $31.69 (worst case assuming all of it was charge at home - which some was at the "free to me" charging station at work.)
Drove 1287 miles on $62.69 of energy
Equivalent at current average regular gas price in Mn is $3.08 = 62.69/3.08= 20.35 gallons of gas
That would net me 362 miles in the F150 or 468 miles in the explorer.
We plug in at home or when it makes sense (like free).
There are cases where the economics are hard to ignore.
or $6/gal in the middle of nowhere.What happens when your EV is dead at noon and you’ve got places to go? 65+c/kWh
If so, why are you wasting your time on the EV forum? Your "helpful" posts show you know very little about EV use.
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If you regularly use supercharger for more than your normal routine stop (at stores, at work, whatever), you bought the wrong car. It is for top off when you shop, daily at work, or fast charge on a road trip.
To me the only problem with an EV is you are losing money with battery deterioration if you don't drive it. Otherwise you are probably going to save money in charging vs fuel if your range is just right. EV's sweet spot is a range that is not too short (or you are wasting battery deterioration for nothing), and not too long (so you have to charge at work or you can't get home). Too short of a commute you are better off with a gas car, and too long of a range you are better off with a hybrid or a plug in. It is hard to predict what you need for the next 15 years and be right all the time.
But, but, but, they "know what's up"! I read it on the prior page of this thread, must be true!
The date for moving up to an EV for our other vehicle might have moved up, because unfortunately, the Navigator in my signature decided the other day that it no longer wants to shift out of 3rd gear at any forward speed, which is it's limp mode. Thankfully I was only going to the grocery store which is only a couple miles away with no highway speeds involved. I'm going to pull codes but sinking money into this vehicle doesn't seem like a very good idea at this point, being 14 years old with 163K.
Good info, is the 40 cents a kWh rate the only cost? Meaning if you dont sit idle once you are done is anything else added? Taxes? Service fees etc?
I guess that is cheap for CA.
No coupon here $2.75 a gallon regular.
Yes, knowing what’s up is important. There are use cases for both EV and ICE that make lots of sense, and also those that don’t. Determining needs and balancing the positives and negatives is important for getting the optimal mode of transportation.
For people within say 20-50 miles from work and rarely traveling outside that area, EVs do make a lot of sense if the TCOO is reasonable. Same thing for ICEs… if you’re traveling lots through rural areas and have a highly variable range, EVs probably don’t make anywhere near as much sense.
The biggest issue I and many others have is, don’t try to force anyone into EITHER decision now that alternatives are available. Let the end user decide what best fits for them. Centralized planning has failed miserably every single time it’s ever been tried… consumers are a very fickle bunch and will usually just go without something (or hang onto their old one forever) if they’re not allowed to buy what’s most useful to them.
I took it at lunch for just some s--ts and giggles. It's best between 15 and 35 mph with only 3rd. By 50 it is howling, 3000 rpm. 55 is about 3200. I thought about taking it to 65 but decided against it.
I filled up!
I think that’s the all in rate unless you leave the car sitting there beyond your charging session. But…I’ve never used it so I’m not positive.
(just in my lifetime....)
1980ish - I'll NEVER own a plastic gun (polymer). Them things will blow up in your face
1990ish - I'll NEVER get one of them there cell phones. They are HUGE and EXPENSIVE
2000ish - A camera on a cell phone? Whatever. Pics look like crap. I'll stick with my Minolta.
2010ish - Bitcoin - whatever. This pretend money will never work out.
2020ish - EV's will NEVER work. Yeah, the Tesla has been around a while but look at all this stuff that is DOOMED to FAIL. HAHAHAHAHAH.
(tech NEVER evolves, amirite? - no way EV's will continue to evolve until you can run one 500 miles on a battery 1/5 the current size that will take an hour to charge, amirite?)
1980ish - I'll NEVER own a plastic gun (polymer). Them things will blow up in your face
1990ish - I'll NEVER get one of them there cell phones. They are HUGE and EXPENSIVE
2000ish - A camera on a cell phone? Whatever. Pics look like crap. I'll stick with my Minolta.
2010ish - Bitcoin - whatever. This pretend money will never work out.
2020ish - EV's will NEVER work. Yeah, the Tesla has been around a while but look at all this stuff that is DOOMED to FAIL. HAHAHAHAHAH.
(tech NEVER evolves, amirite? - no way EV's will continue to evolve until you can run one 500 miles on a battery 1/5 the current size that will take an hour to charge, amirite?)
There are idle fees. Not sure when they kick in... Here's 2 Superchargers near me. The idle fees are last on the price list.
It's only going to go up. Cheap/free charging can't last forever. 8.5% of vehicles registered now are ev's. Someone has to pay for the grid which as is can't support 100 million ev's charging.
The difference is, on every technology except EVs those were relatively new, ~10-15 years old max, and were still expensive.
By the 2020s, battery-powered vehicles are over 130 years old, and still not any better than their alternatives. There are limited use cases that can make them make sense, but they cannot replace ICEs in every instance even without taking the electrical needs into account.
You can be a fan of EVs if they work for you, but give up on trying to convince people to give up their ICEs. Other than free handouts there’s not much you can use to convince ICE enthusiasts.
You sound a lot like a horse man in the early days of motoring.
There has been DOS, Beta, Eight tracks, audio cassettes, telegrams, bias ply tires, slide rules, and typewriters in my lifetime. Times change and you change with them. Or you'll get stuck in some kind of time warp.
Voiced frightening numbers without data to back them up.
How many gallons of gasoline at what price per gallon?
How many kWh of electricity and at what price per kWh?
Without this data his statements are nothing but unfounded F.U.D. But is enough for simple untrained uncritical minds.
For real world data, Tesla Superchargers in AL and TN that I've seen bill $0.36 to $0.39/kWh. Yesterday I drove 128.92 miles which required 32.46 kWh from my home Wall Connector to restore to the original state of charge. At $0.39/kWh that would have cost $12.66. 9.8¢/mile. Gasoline is currently $2.849/gallon, so that would be cost equivalent 29 MPG$.
At home electricity is 10¢/kWh. $3.246 for the day's drive, or 113 MPG$.
The Gas Station Model does not work for EVs. Public charging lets one get to/from places one might not otherwise reach but home charging is the way to drive an EV. Charge every night, be "full" every morning. Or full enough for most day's driving.
Takes 30 seconds to fill my Tesla.
15 seconds to connect when I get home.
15 seconds to disconnect when I leave.
Charge every night. Ready every morning. In the past 9 months I used a Supercharger exactly once, for 9 minutes, mostly out of curiousity.
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