Some backwards state/local governments still forbid billing by kWh nominally to "protect" consumers from electricity resale and markup. So one gets around it by renting a parking space with electrical power by the minute. Just as one rents a hotel room with electricity provided.
EV charging example costs more than it would to fill up a premium fuel car
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Just as Once Upon A Time rental properties started advertising how they were wired for cable TV, and later broadband internet. Didn't have it before, saw opportunity to attract renters, added the feature.
There is a brand new Supercharger near our house. It looks way overbuilt, but what do I know. I'm gonna use it one of these days just to see if Supercharging still works on my Tesla. But I'll only let it charge for 30 seconds or so. Supercharging costs quite a bit more than home charging you know.
Golly, next thing you know Free Market Capitalists will be offering discount plans for gasoline!
Imagine getting 3¢/gallon discount just for signing up to their advertising? Or using their credit card!
Why would one ever let it go "dead"? Is one such a poor planner as to routinely getting into such situations?What happens when your EV is dead at noon and you’ve got places to go? 65+c/kWh
Most charging is done at home, off peak. There are less than 300M operating vehicles in the US. This includes passenger cars, trucks, SUVs, vans, motorcycles, and buses.
I think it will be quite a while before 1 in 3 vehicles are electric...
The charging network build out will include places of work, apartments and condos, just like we are seeing around here.
Sitting on a Supercharger will continue to be rare, just like now.
I'm not sure why some people think everyone charges at the same time...
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Tesla typically bills $1/minute idle after 5 minutes at "high volume Superchargers".
Guess you could sit an hour after charging stopped without extra cost of the site isn't busy. But who knows when it will get busy and one is depriving someone else of a bay to charge in?
"Cheap/free charging" is nearly nonexistent.
We have a 50% generating capacity surplus at night/early morning. This time is trivially easy for EVs to charge inexpensively at home producing revenue the utility doesn't have to expand to supply. Easy money for the utility to use to expand for daytime consumption.
Yes it works well for many people as they at home recharge. For most homes that would limit one EV to a home.
The video is true and honest that is what is cool about it.
You can skew it anyway you want with different scenarios. The fact of the matter is the cost was at that particular place to take care of two cars. One was gasoline. One was electric no denying it. It’s fact and as mentioned by other EV owners in this thread, it can happen and it did happen
Smoke and mirrors cannot deny the video.
It was real, it took place and it could happen to the general public.
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Before a/c there was a grid. Adding electric cars is no different than adding other things like a/c over the years. Fair to say? I guess everything doesn’t have to be a war us against them, but I’m not innocent of it either.
My daughter (who knows better) arrived at our house one evening with almost no charge on her Leaf. We plugged it in to a 120 Volt outside plug for a couple of hours and she had enough charge to get home.
I suppose if the same thing happened with an ICE I could have given her some of my lawn mower gas, but not nearly as cheap or as convenient.
According to consumer affairs "In 2022, there were 283,400,986 registered vehicles in the United States — 278,870,463 private and commercial vehicles, and 4,530,523 publicly owned vehicles.". In 2024 8.3% of vehicles registered were ev's. What you don't realize is that if everyone charges "off peak " and at night it won't be cheap or off peak. Hopefully with California and the European Union reconsidering the 2030 ice ban it will be a long time before we hit majority ev's. England already consumes 104% of the energy it produces and has to import energy from the mainland.
China is already seeing flat ev sales and Europe is seeing sales down. You can't hand out "free money " Forever. The thing that most people mis is the calorie density of ice,and Once Cadillac installed the electric starter it sealed the deal. Ev's are going to have to have a a revolution in technology mainly density, with a near instantaneous charge to full. If you look at arena motorcross same thing happen. Up until 1994 no 4 stroke bikes were competitive even though a few were entered. By 2018 or so arenacross is totally ran on 4 stroke bikes.
Oh, I have zero use for electric vehicles. As a matter of fact, I don't think it's the electric vehicles that need to evolve that much. It's battery tech that will need some breakthroughs. I'm thinking down the road (10-40 years from now) things will be much different. Yeah, components of vehicles will continue to become more energy efficient too, but that's probably going to be less of a gamechanger. 10 years ago my Samsung S2 took an hour and a half or more to charge and might have lasted 6 hours if I watched YouTube mercilessly. Now, my S22+ can charge in 35 minutes and last 10 or 12 hours streaming HBO.... Battery tech is still in it's infancy.
I have an old 4 d cell Maglite somewhere. Probably from the mid 90's. Back then, 4 Duracell coppertops only went so far. I have a sneaking suspicion that if I loaded it up with new Energizer lithium d cells I could get a bit more life out of it. I also have various lights that run off of 18650 rechargeable batteries and use LED's that will light up the surface of Pluto (maybe that's a mild exaggeration) and LED's have been around for 70 years or so, but only becoming Pluto illuminating in a pocket sized flashlight the last 10 or 12 years or so. And those little lights will also run for 30 hours off of that 18650 battery, maybe more. I highly doubt my 3 d cell led Maglite from circa 2013 will run 30 hours on 3 d cells. It might, but I doubt it.
Sure the video was true, but the question is, did it make sense? It did not show the prices. I wonder why?
And why would you charge an EV if you had half a charge left? That's the worst time to charge, especially at an expensive Supercharger.
Could it happen? Of course. I have never been in this situation, but I would need a really good reason to Supercharge with half a tank. It's throwing money, and time, down the drain.
Lithium is among the most active metals on the periodic chart and there are only so many ions we can move. We won't have battery breakthroughs. Just like we don't have gasoline that has twice the power of gas from the 1940's.
What we will see is better packaging and the resulting mild gains in cell energy density. We will not see the needed 5x or 10x improvements in specific energy and/or energy density.
Cheap is relative. This thread supports the idea that electric could be more expensive than fuel when it becomes the primary energy method.
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You could be right. Electricity could soar in price. But imagine what everyone's electric lights, television, and electric range would cost to run if that happens.
Don't forget most EV owners do almost all of our charging at home using the same electrical service as you. Better yet, EV owners can use cheaper electricity than the general public, because EVs can quite sensibly be charged during the middle of the night.
The cost of charging at a Supercharger is almost inconsequential when most EV owners do almost all of their charging at home.
People that live in apartments, condos, dorms, etc., or those simply traveling long distances may not have access to residential charging and will be required to use "super chargers". This will become more of an issue as electric becomes more mainstream. I don't know that it's fair to say it's inconsequential.
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