Is a "real" and dishonest lie for the blanks they deliberately did not fill in for the purpose of leaving it to your imagination to fill. They were successful with you. You don't know enough about the topic to know what they didn't tell you.
EV charging example costs more than it would to fill up a premium fuel car
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Again, you know not of what you speak.
Tesla usually makes the cleanest and most reliable solution so what I reference here is probably implemented by others, at least partially.
See https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/wall-connector/power-management
Under Group Power Management they offer multiple Tesla Wall Connectors on a single circuit, intelligently managed among them to provide power to multiple vehicles while not exceeding the limits of a single circuit. A 240V 60A circuit will put 44 miles of range/hour into a Model 3 or Model Y. If one has three vehicles charging simultaneously then 44 miles can be added among them in an hour (14 miles each). If one finishes early the others get more current. If each is set with a different "be ready by" time then it is possible for each to get the full 48A of charging while the others wait for their time.
Or one can connect all of one's EVs via 115V 15A outlets. One of these will put 5 miles of range/hour in a 3 or Y. After 10 hours one has 50 miles added. Easy peasy.
Too many think the Only Way To Charge is at a 250kW Supercharger during the day. There is nothing harder on "The Grid" than that. But there are situations where it is necessary.
Teslas come with onboard charging scheduler which is geofenced so it remembers how it was set at this location each time one uses it. One for Mom's house. Another for home. Another for work, etc.
One can instruct the car to start charging immediately. Or at a fixed time. Or instruct the car to "be ready" at a specified time. Then it will estimate when it needs to start charging to be ready at that time. And optionally condition the cabin to the temperature you have selected.
Good points, and lets not forget nothing is cast in stone. Charging during off peak rates can go away or rise substantially as well. Forcing people back to ICE or sticking expensive solar panels on their houses that they might not want. There might be free lunch or cheap lunch, but nothing lasts forever.
Flat sales in China is near 50%, mind you.
And China is not a market driven economy, either, plus China has it's unique issues in that it's got coal but precious little oil of it's own.
The only vehicle that needs 5-10x battery density is the Tesla Semi and other electric class 8 trucks. Maybe HD diesel pickups would need 2 or 3x to match diesel range.
The only useful feature that would offer to passenger cars and light trucks is that it would shut up all the wiseacres like my brother in law that states he has 700 miles per fill-up in his Ram 1500 when he drives to the the beach in AL or FL. My arse doesn't have 700 miles of range, so that argument is irrelevant to me. And I'm pretty sure it doesn't have nearly that range when he's puttering around the suburbs, it's a 5.7 Hemi, so I'm pretty sure it gets 15 or worse.
Cheap is also relative to yearly budgets. It may cost more to take road trips in an EV, but you can apply your savings for the rest of the year to your vacation budget. That's real life for most people. No different than admonishing my child to turn the lights off to save money. (although that's a more difficult argument to make now that LED bulbs are ubiquitous).
Think of how ludicrous what you said is. 5 miles range per hour from 115V. TEN HOURS to drive 50 miles!! Who can possibly afford to waste that kind of time?
Or, for a 14.4kWh circuit, you can add 44 miles range for maybe $6 electricity in an hour. A comparable gas car can add 44 miles range in less than 30 seconds at the pump and for less than a gallon and a half of fuel, so roughly the same cost, but 120 times faster. Plus, the “recharging” system for the gas car is ubiquitous and everywhere, and does not put any additional strain on the electrical grid.
Besides, CO2 is not, and has never been the boogeyman it’s made out to be. It is not even a primary greenhouse gas; water vapor is. Sea surface temperatures (SST), driven by solar insolation levels, have always been the primary driver of CO2. Not man made emissions. SST rise and fall based on solar activity & cloud cover levels, and CO2 tracks accordingly.
We've been over this so many times. Just get an L2 plug and plug it in every night. We've never had to DCFC or take a charge somewhere else since getting the NEMA 14-50R in the garage.
I do L2 if I have to go to the office because it allows me to park on the first floor (haha) and the rates are actually cheaper than my rate at home. I never "need" to charge when I get to the office, but I use it as an excuse to do my monthly runup to 100% to keep the battery management system calibrated. I imagine parking and leaving the car all day will not always be possible though once EV adoption increases because they may institute an idle charge at some point.
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Your numbers are very misleading for their intended purpose. Not that you knew it. You're talking new car EV registrations at 8.3% NOT 8.3% of the EVs on the road.
There are close to 300 MILLION vehicles on the road. Less than 1% of them are electric @ 2.5 million.
Just wanted to clear that up because some might think, based on your post that 8.3% of the USA population is charging their EVs.
The correct number is less than 1% of the population are charging their EVs because EVs make up less than 1% of the cars on the road.
CA is the highest in the nation at 2.5%
SO what do you think will happen to the electric grid if we hit 10% EVs on the road? , 20%. 30% ... Last summer CA was asking people to put off charging because of short supply and right now the EV % is a fraction of what the proponents are pushing for. Critical thinking the voters need to do.
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It's even more ludicrous because it's talking about charging it "miles", we don't move energy in miles, which is a distance measurement, and it would sound just as stupid for ICE cars. I don't put 200 miles of gas in my Grand Cherokee, that sounds ridiculous right? Because how many miles I get from the # of gallons/litres I put in the tank is a variable that depends on where I'm operating it, what the ambient conditions are, average speed...etc.
Those exact same things influence how many kWh an EV is going to use. If it's -20, 20kWh isn't going to get me the same number of miles as if it's 15C. If my average speed is 10mph, because I'm tooling around town, that's going to take me a different # of miles than if I'm doing 80mph down the highway. So how can you possibly charge in "miles" understanding that distance is a bloody variable influenced by myriad factors?
I feel like people asking about the car going dead have habitual issues running out of fuel.
I can count on one hand how many times I've seen a gas light come on in a car I own in nearly 25 years of driving. I always fill up before 1/4 of a tank when possible. I've never seen the fuel warning on the GTI, but it's going in for the suction pump recall tomorrow and it's the first time it's been below 1/4 tank. I might actually see the light on the way to the dealer.
I think the biggest issue is considering an all or nothing situation of people being forced one way or another. No solution is the answer for 100% of people. It's like the arguments that come up here about "EVs just don't work and this is why." That's just someone that isn't interested in trying something different. That's fine, then don't bother arguing about it on the internet and don't give EVs a second thought then. We've got larger gasoline powered vehicles on the market than ever before. Sometimes we talk about the death of ICE and I frankly don't see how that will ever be possible. I do think EVs will become more accepted by the average person, but it'll be far from 100%.
There are complaints about EVs even though their calculated MPGe is helping skew CAFE numbers to make it easier to make inefficient ICE vehicles while also offering another option to consumers. I have other thoughts on the tax breaks involved, but I don't understand how more choice becomes a negative because someone doesn't like one of the choices.
People should do their homework that's all, and realize that nothing lasts forever, especially when it comes to utilities, or cheap electricity. Especially as the grid is expending to accommodate the increased demand placed upon it with the green wave.
The grid is a smaller issue than people realize just because of the slow adoption rate. It's true if the rate quadrupled overnight that we might not continue a smooth transition to EV adoption. I don't care much for that phrasing, just because I'm not looking for an increase or decrease in EVs. I happen to like them, but I don't have a vested interest that would matter to me how many are on the road. I'm just happy to spread how easy I find them to use just because I was pretty negative to the idea 10 years ago.
I guess it depends where you live. The grid is a problem when they can't keep air conditioners running in the summer, in areas like NYC, and the big push to go green taxing the grid even more. Truth be told I laugh at the stupidity sometimes to be honest. Change takes time, make the goals more realistic and then brag when they're successfully achieved.
This is true if you have access to cheap residential charging. Not everyone does, however.
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Charging speak gets dumbed down and converted because half the population cant do arithmetic or understand an electric bill.
Introduce the concept of variable speed charging and they are really lost confusing low amp charging during off peak at night, with super high amp high speed charging on the road.
Half the time they really dont understand, the other half is simply pushing a narrative that you can see through like a laser through cream cheese.
That's changing. The 1st thing around here was charging at work at a subsidized rate or even for free. Not to mention a break on an EV or hybrid.
I know a few EV owners who do not charge at home or only use 115V. They charge at work. Obviously they are the outliers in the big scheme of things.
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