EV charging example costs more than it would to fill up a premium fuel car

It's still a lot cheaper than fuel, assuming you charge at home.
Even at my rates?

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So the fact the building owner /management offers free charging to tenants (and the public for that matter) makes me a leech?

Or using a charger at a grocer that places free charging stations in their parking lot makes me a leech?

Building management / ownership pays the electric bill. The electricity is not free. The taxpayer certainly is not paying that bill either.

Ownership has made its choices on what they do to keep tenants happy and to draw in customers.

Frankly, not using free services in that case would be the "interesting" choice...
Every “free” station is paid for by those in the customer chain of that charger. If it’s a supermarket, the customer is paying extra. If it’s a government charger, the taxpayer is paying extra. If it’s an apartment, all of the tenants are paying extra. It’s an absolute fact that every single one of those “free” charging stations are passing those costs onto its revenue base, however that works out.
 
Every “free” station is paid for by those in the customer chain of that charger. If it’s a supermarket, the customer is paying extra. ..
That goes for any promotion. Everything a private business gives away, everything a private business puts on sale its the cost of doing business. Every sale item you buy comes with strings attached to get people in the store.. It's a free country pick and choose companies are free to give things away or put them on sale.
People in here look for discounts even on automobiles, anytime one is marked down to make a sale, someone else pays. Its life :)
 
Where is the station, the rate for each, $/kwh, $/gallon premium, and he talks too fast like a salesman, skipping facts. Not to mention how they were driven for the 180 miles. If the Cadillac uses 1 kwh to go 3 miles that’s 60 kwh over 180 miles. If it’s 40 cents per kwh it comes to $24.
Agree that information would be nice but there is no doubt he is telling the truth for that area. It's even been confirmed right in this thread by owners of EVs. It can get costly and it's not based on just kWh. Which if you read through all the posts. I too learned from this.
I mean, really now. :)
 
Electricity cost is so high here in Ca an electric car cant be cheap to charge

The earlier post #14 shows pge has other rate plans, 31 cents/ kwh at certain times on the ev plan. Pge is in California and not cheap.
Still higher than many other states pay. Some pay 10 cents/ kwh, even less. Ev makes a lot of sense to many people compared to gas in those places, and of course it depends on how much the vehicle uses, and how the driver uses it.
 
Yeah, Im shocked but not completely as the station themselves sets the cost of charging. Being skeptical I kind of wonder what these stand alone charging stations will charge without nearby competition as EV become more popular. Most people who live in a home with only one EV will charge at home, assuming they arent taking trips.
With roughly half the country living in condos or apartments or families with more than one EV, for many charging at home is not an option.
This is why most of us only want to charge at home. With public charging it’s sometimes a necessity, but that’s basically a convenience charge.

All the benefit cost wise is charging at home. I wouldn’t own one otherwise. I don’t have a problem taking trips in it, but it wouldn’t be my first selection if I was doing that more often than not.
 
Wow, lotsa opinions here.... Let's look at the numbers and get to the truth... Well, we can't. I don't think the video showed the numbers, only the totals. So it is a worthless puff piece. 2 different vehicles. No energy costs per unit. Charging an EV past 80% is really inefficient. Facts my ....

If I couldn't charge at home, I wouldn't own an EV. Charging at peak price hours is really dumb; why would anyone do that unless they had to? I know a few people who don't charge at home, but they often charge at work for a subsidized rate or even free.

My use case is extreme; I had a long term plan to minimize recurring costs; electricity is freakin' expensive around here (PG&E monopoly and CPUC). So I did something about it by springing for solar. Adding the EV to the mix gets more value out of the asset.

If you regularly drive more than 100 miles per day and need to use Superchargers, perhaps a 4 banger whatever makes more sense.

Around here gas shot up overnight. If you can find rag under $4.50 per gallon buy it.
 
Really ?
Im shocked at what I am seeing, is this because this particular charging station is charging an outrageous kWh rate?
I dont know, sounds like this guy is pretty straight up. Yeah, I get it, social media and he could have presented more information such as gas price and kWh price... but either way.

What gives?
VERY relevant as far as I am concerned.

If you're not going to charge at home, don't bother getting one.
 
Really ?
Im shocked at what I am seeing, is this because this particular charging station is charging an outrageous kWh rate?
I dont know, sounds like this guy is pretty straight up. Yeah, I get it, social media and he could have presented more information such as gas price and kWh price... but either way.

What gives?
VERY relevant as far as I am concerned.

It just says "loading instagram" for me.

But at the non-membership rate at my local Electrify America, to charge my Mach-E from 0-100 would cost $37.10, theoretically. .53 per KWH times battery capacity of 70KWH.

That said we have not done any DCFC since July, 100% at home. Even with small battery AWD (worst range combo), it's enough at 85% to drive around all day and to nearby cities and back. It was so much cooler this summer than last summer here in Central Texas that my electric bill went down as compared to last year even with the addition of an EV. I think we'll really have to average things out over time to get a true number as to cost.
 
But his point is the cost to charge at home in California is very high. Let's say the Caddy has a 140kWh battery that is fully depleted, even if you schedule it to charge overnight, that's $43.40. If you charge it between 4 and 9pm it's $86.80.

Ontario has ultra-low overnight rates for charging EV's of $0.028/kWh, but of course the on-peak price is higher, but still about 1/3rd of Cali's, less if you factor in the exchange rate:
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Wow. I don't schedule our charging, but I probably would if I had those kind of overnight rates. And in the afternoon, I'd have to turn up the AC to 78 or 80.
 
It did not take more than 2 brain cells to figure out once they get more of these vehicles on the road people are going to get bent over but good and proper without so much as a little kiss. The people that support this crap and the politicians that go along with this lunacy get everything they deserve and much more. The problem is those of us that knew better got the Arschkarte right along with em. JMHO
Everything and much more? Like cheap charging at home, awesome acceleration and extreme quietness? The awesomeness is running over the edge of my cup.
 
Nothing is free, especially energy. Those people using “free” chargers are leeches, perfectly fine with the local area charging their taxpayers and transferring their wealth thru subsidized charging. It’s a despicable practice along with all the other ways this is perpetrated.
What if there are other motivations? "We want people with high disposable income like EV owners to visit our downtown for shopping so we're going to put in free chargers"
 
Plenty of times I've seen a lone gas station with higher prices, Free market so they can charge what they want. Might not sell much if high.
Paying the higher price is worth every penny paid over running out of gas.
 
What happens when your EV is dead at noon and you’ve got places to go? 65+c/kWh 😱
Good point.
When you own an EV, you learn the ropes. Range anxiety will drive you bananas.
1st, you charge at night; they have schedulers.
2nd, if you are gonna go further the next day, charge to 90% or higher.

But yes, you will need to Supercharge from time to time. The best way is to charge to destination, not to full. So you are low, say 10 to 20%. Charge for 10 minutes and get 50 miles (or whatever) and get to your destination where it's cheaper. Remember, a low state of charge offers turbo charging efficiency.

The few times I Supercharge are usually fun; grab a Starbucks, sandwich, check emails (or BOB). or just walk around. 10 minutes goes by like nuthin'.

I get like 245 miles at 80%. I let it get down to 100 miles sometimes during the week. Charging is sooooo simple.
Again, if you are driving far all the time, think twice before buying that speedy M3P.



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