punisher I don't take offence. I agree with what you said. I went a little farther than just octane. I have a real hard time writing and thinking at 2:00 AM. I agree about the pushing for E85 I like the idea of keep and creating jobs here in the U.S. By creating plants to produce ethanol. But if the price is not going to be that were a person can at least break even compared to using reg unleaded than forget it. I have been using E-85 in my ranger but at present It does not pay. When the stuff is the same or a few penny's less. It needs to be about 40 cents less to break even. With all the tax money they are throwing at this. WERE is the Break at the pump. I have sent letters to our governor of our state asking this same question. With no reply. They want to promote it here in the state well the only way they are going to get the people to use it. Is if the price will save them money. I know it's not a cure but it would be a good alternative for a while. I am sure the cost to get the oil out of the shale is not a real positive one either at this time.