I run Torco GP7 on several MX two stroke bikes I own in the past.
Was OK in wear for such machines.
On sport bike I test two times T4SR, was really good and never spot an issue even on very aggressive runs on track.
Ester based motorcycle oil
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Was OK in wear for such machines.
On sport bike I test two times T4SR, was really good and never spot an issue even on very aggressive runs on track.
running it now, its doing its job! At 2k on the HPL 10w-40 motorcycle, not quite ready to take a sample yet though so don’t know those details. Switched from Amsoil metric 10-40 which was super stout, I have a used oil analysis on this for it.
Edit: here it is, if you are interested. I also ride this bike hard, daily.
I run this bike ragged, so fun! Give Amsoil a try, the shifting is really butter smooth and stays that way.We have a 2005 Ninja 250. I run Mobil 1 or Super Tech 10W-40. I added the canister spin on oil filter adapter. 26,000 miles and running strong….well mildly strong.
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If anyone was wondering, I ended up going with the Klotz TechniPlate 10w30. I have 1,500 miles on it, and the shifts have been very precise and smooth. The motor runs smoothly and cool, and the oil color still looks the same as when it went in. No complaints. I did have complaints with the three other oils I tried, if that means anything.
Next change, I'm likely going to try Amsoil to see if it can provide the same feel as Klotz, but for $13 per quart instead of $18. No need to shed tears, @Pablo.
Next change, I'm likely going to try Amsoil to see if it can provide the same feel as Klotz, but for $13 per quart instead of $18. No need to shed tears, @Pablo.
Bumping this thread, but if you are truly 160mph track days I would be looking into HPLs oil for this. The OCI is really going to depend on how hard you are pushing this bike, for how long, and how often. Riding habits matter a lot. Oil vaporizes in these high revvers as well, so higher quality oils can matter in trying to mitigate that.
Again, if truly a race bike (or mostly one) you should really think about HPL. What are your riding habits?
Again, if truly a race bike (or mostly one) you should really think about HPL. What are your riding habits?
I wanted to chime in regarding the HP4RU that's been mentioned a couple times - details on this oil are incredibly difficult to find. What I've been able to piece together so far is it has a 10-20% ester content (at least, the only disclosed ingredient due to legal requirements on the SDS) of "Fatty Acids, C6-C12, Triesters with Trimethylolpropane".
It's definitely an ester oil, and judging from the given flash point of 507F (****, that's hot!) I think it probably has to be nearly or entirely a group IV and group V blend to achieve that high.
I'm getting a VOA through Horizon just so I have some details on the TBN, additives (that are tested for, anyway) , and the 100C viscosity to compare my used oil analysis against.
Side note, it smells incredibly good. Smells like Delsym cough syrup. Nearly took a swig to try it out, I bet it would take your cough right away.
It's definitely an ester oil, and judging from the given flash point of 507F (****, that's hot!) I think it probably has to be nearly or entirely a group IV and group V blend to achieve that high.
I'm getting a VOA through Horizon just so I have some details on the TBN, additives (that are tested for, anyway) , and the 100C viscosity to compare my used oil analysis against.
Side note, it smells incredibly good. Smells like Delsym cough syrup. Nearly took a swig to try it out, I bet it would take your cough right away.
Whether you run ester based synthetics or other major synthetics in a high revving 600 any of it will meet and exceed your racing expectations... There is no benefit among the brands based on their VOA...
I ran 5w30 Mobil 1 auto when I raced my RC45 in Super Bike category all weekend long during the Highway 40 races...
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Do you still use Mobil 1 5w30 auto oil in it? And what OCI do you use? I saw on some of your used oil analysis that the mileage was less than 1,000 on them.
Correct... I used and continue to use Mobil 1 5w30 auto oil in my RC45 with OCI from less than 1000 to Honda's recommended 8000 miles...
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https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-...]&classType=VARIANT&athbdg=L1200&from=/search
I will update if my clutch slips or motor blows
I will update if my clutch slips or motor blows
That's certainly... a choice.
I'm not sure where is the oil sheet from, but it looks like highly unlikely to me an API SM/SN/SP/SQ (ILSAC GF-5 or GF-6) oil to has calcium 2649 ppm. The Mobil 1 5w30 oil on the sheet above it must be API SL/SJ, ILSAC GF-4.
For a closer understanding of the additive Calcium we can see it is used in lubricants as a detergent and dispersant additive to clean engine parts, prevent deposit formation like sludge and varnish, and keep contaminants suspended in the oil. Calcium-based additives, such as calcium salicylates and calcium sulfonates, also help neutralize acidic byproducts of combustion and can provide anti-wear and corrosion protection...
It is interesting how much the amount of the Calcium additive varies among a sampling of 30 Grades...
Red Line MC 5w30...3205
Mobil 1 5w30 Auto...........2649
Amsoil MC 10w30.....3161
Honda HP4 10w30....1917
It is interesting how much the amount of the Calcium additive varies among a sampling of 30 Grades...
Red Line MC 5w30...3205
Mobil 1 5w30 Auto...........2649
Amsoil MC 10w30.....3161
Honda HP4 10w30....1917
Good thread, for the first time I’m departing from Honda Oil to Penrite on my CBR. Based on the previous responses, it seems the other oil vendors meet or exceed the Honda requirements. I’m always concerned when it comes to the clutch pack, but I’ll go this route and see how it works.
I went with:
I went with:
MC-4ST 10W-30 (100% PAO & ESTER)
HOw old is this 20 years?
5w30 mobil 1 car oil in todays world. Just saw one dated 2018 at 900 ppm calcium.
all those numbers I bet are way off in todays world.
I have ran nothing but motul 300v 15w50 in my rc51 since it was new. It has 8500 HARD MILES! Im talking track days and wide open top runs are the norm..... I swear by it. She is dyno tuned 142 rwhp with a hrc ecu with special timing curves and soft rev limiter delete.
Jealous! My dream bike. Getting quite hard to find though, at least up here. Keep it wide-open and enjoy!
Historically this poster sends information forth into the forum that is outdated and antiquated. There's no oil with a modern classification with that much calcium and that low of magnesium. LSPI issues have changed formulations dramatically. It's time to call out the inaccuracy again, it's not helpful nor do I understand why it doesn't get called out by the powers that be on this forum. It's not even in good faith, it's legitimate laziness and lack of desire to be relevant.
LSPI is just a fancy phrase for detonation. Its particular to gm because their engines come with blowby and the pcv system puts those fuels and oil into the intake tract. We dealt witi detonation twenty years ago with race engines that were built loose to take the shock of three stages of nitrous on 706 big block engines. My Toyotas dont use a drop of oil between changes, but japanese engines are built tight and right.
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