Engine flush 61,000 miles result

[ollie]

Its your money -- do as you seem fit, NOBODY on here is paying your bills or putting food in your fridge -- dont let it bother you what they say.
Dale

Not bothered a bit by it. Only saddened for the OP that had some fantastic input to the community only to be ridiculed into what I can only imagine was a bad reaction that had him banned.

I am grateful to the members here who know a bargain and outstanding product that gives good results. The days of using ATF to flush the motor might be replaced by this product. Yes it is that good. Motor Medic is a proven product that actually works. Having used ATF all these years I was a bit skeptical. ATF has been the gold standard flush for many over the years. It's still a good standby.

When using ATF, I would put in 1-2 quarts ATF in a 5 quart fill and run the motor through a full oil change cycle. It works pretty darn good. And with abused used cars I purchased when I was younger that was really the only way to restore a motor when on a budget. Well that and plug extenders to prevent oil fouling. The big advantage to motor medic is simply pour in just before an oil change and let your motor idle for 5 minutes.

 

[csandste]

2,000-mile oil changes with Synthetic Super Tech. The inside of the engine will stay spotless!

Now we're doing 2K synthetic OCI's?

 

[THORROMIG]

Not bothered a bit by it. Only saddened for the OP that had some fantastic input to the community only to be ridiculed into what I can only imagine was a bad reaction that had him banned.

I am grateful to the members here who know a bargain and outstanding product that gives good results. The days of using ATF to flush the motor might be replaced by this product. Yes it is that good. Motor Medic is a proven product that actually works. Having used ATF all these years I was a bit skeptical. ATF has been the gold standard flush for many over the years. It's still a good standby.

When using ATF, I would put in 1-2 quarts ATF in a 5 quart fill and run the motor through a full oil change cycle. It works pretty darn good. And with abused used cars I purchased when I was younger that was really the only way to restore a motor when on a budget. Well that and plug extenders to prevent oil fouling. The big advantage to motor medic is simply pour in just before an oil change and let your motor idle for 5 minutes.

Be honest with you, I am not taking anybodys side on this topic. I am just putting things in perspective overall. I have seen members banned on here over some of the simplest things/topics/threads over the last couple years. I personally think 95% of all the Moderators do a great job on here though. Again, its your money ollie. Have a nice day and weekend overall.

 

[kschachn]

Not bothered a bit by it. Only saddened for the OP that had some fantastic input to the community only to be ridiculed into what I can only imagine was a bad reaction that had him banned.

I remember the posts that got him banned and they have been deleted. You have no idea what you're talking about when you say he was ridiculed into getting banned, it wasn't anyone's fault besides his own.

 

[Tdbo]

If it needs "Flushed" that bad, shorten your OCI.

 

[Tdbo]

Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Threads like this really make me disappointed in this forum. .


If you look back to gearheadtool he had about 9 names here and was banned 9x eventually.

Gearheadtool had a function.
He provided entertainment and comic relief.
Those were the good old days.

 

[kschachn]

Gearheadtool had a function.
He provided entertainment and comic relief.
Those were the good old days.

He's not gone, at least not for very long.

 

[kschachn]

I am grateful to the members here who know a bargain and outstanding product that gives good results. The days of using ATF to flush the motor might be replaced by this product. Yes it is that good. Motor Medic is a proven product that actually works. Having used ATF all these years I was a bit skeptical. ATF has been the gold standard flush for many over the years. It's still a good standby.

When using ATF, I would put in 1-2 quarts ATF in a 5 quart fill and run the motor through a full oil change cycle. It works pretty darn good. And with abused used cars I purchased when I was younger that was really the only way to restore a motor when on a budget. Well that and plug extenders to prevent oil fouling. The big advantage to motor medic is simply pour in just before an oil change and let your motor idle for 5 minutes.

Here. If you refuse to listen to any of us in this thread, this is a post from MolaKule on the subject. He knows more than I'll ever know:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/engine-oil-flush-treatments.307857/#post-5396892

But only relevant if you're willing to learn and listen.

 

[Astro14]

Be honest with you, I am not taking anybodys side on this topic. I am just putting things in perspective overall. I have seen members banned on here over some of the simplest things/topics/threads over the last couple years. I personally think 95% of all the Moderators do a great job on here though. Again, its your money ollie. Have a nice day and weekend overall.

Members don’t get banned over simple things. They have to choose to violate the forum rules, and do so in clear, willful actions. It’s not about pro-thin/thick, or pro/anti Mobil 1, or being condescending, or anything else so minor.

Most members don’t see what gets people banned. Some of it is PM. The public part, if applicable, gets deleted immediately. So, a really egregious public post isn’t up for long. Most folks will never see it.

That biases your perception. The posts you see from a banned member doesn’t tell the story of the ban at all.

E.G. I tried to have a PM with a member a while back. He didn’t like what I was telling him, politely, respectfully, but directly, in the PM about his behavior. His reply was to tell me off, in a string of four letter words, with the final sentence stating “xxxx you, xxxx BITOG, ban me!” Well, OK, as you wish...It was my intent to keep this person, but to dial back the abrasive, confrontational posting. I was trying to help the guy and maintain forum rules, but he chose to take a different direction. He chose to get himself banned.

So, you folks saw only the few jerky posts that person made, the ones that prompted my PM, and never know what actually happened. To you, it looks like a minor transgression, but trust me, it was major, you just don’t see it.

 

[OVERKILL]

I am grateful to the members here who know a bargain and outstanding product that gives good results. The days of using ATF to flush the motor might be replaced by this product. Yes it is that good. Motor Medic is a proven product that actually works. Having used ATF all these years I was a bit skeptical. ATF has been the gold standard flush for many over the years. It's still a good standby.

When using ATF, I would put in 1-2 quarts ATF in a 5 quart fill and run the motor through a full oil change cycle. It works pretty darn good.

Again, this is one of those situations where confirmation bias meets personal anecdote that flies in the face of reality. Molakule posted a good little blurb on ATF's "cleaning" ability, which I've quoted below, and about the only thing it has going for it is that it's thin, similar to a 5w-20. Since it is not formulated to have to deal with combustion heat, oxidative byproducts, soot, fuel dilution or any of the other exciting and demanding things that a fully formulated engine oil is expected to deal with during day to day use, adding it to the sump simply dilutes those additives that are already there for that purpose.

In the early days of ATF when it contained an ester called, "Sperm Whale Oil," and a naphthenic base oil, motor oils at the same time had little or no detergency additive. When added to the poor Group I mineral base oil it did do some cleaning because it 1) was thinner than the old motor oil, 2) the naphthenic base oil and Sperm Whale Oil made a good cleaner. Today's ATF has only 4.2% of the detergency as current motor oils and little to no naphthenics. Saying it differently, current Motor Oils average 24 times the detergency of current ATF's. Naphthenic base oils have poor Viscosity Indices and tend to oxidize quicker than do Group II through IV base oils, which is why Naphthenics are rarely used, except as "solvers," and only in very low amounts. Naphthenics HAD to be used back then in ATF's in order to bring the Sperm Whale OIL into solution.

 

[THORROMIG]

Members don’t get banned over simple things. They have to choose to violate the forum rules, and do so in clear, willful actions. It’s not about pro-thin/thick, or pro/anti Mobil 1, or being condescending, or anything else so minor.

Most members don’t see what gets people banned. Some of it is PM. The public part, if applicable, gets deleted immediately. So, a really egregious public post isn’t up for long. Most folks will never see it.

That biases your perception. The posts you see from a banned member doesn’t tell the story of the ban at all.

E.G. I tried to have a PM with a member a while back. He didn’t like what I was telling him, politely, respectfully, but directly, in the PM about his behavior. His reply was to tell me off, in a string of four letter words, with the final sentence stating “xxxx you, xxxx BITOG, ban me!” Well, OK, as you wish...It was my intent to keep this person, but to dial back the abrasive, confrontational posting. I was trying to help the guy and maintain forum rules, but he chose to take a different direction. He chose to get himself banned.

So, you folks saw only the few jerky posts that person made, the ones that prompted my PM, and never know what actually happened. To you, it looks like a minor transgression, but trust me, it was major, you just don’t see it.

Yes sir and I am not rebuttal with you. Like I said, also -- 95% of the Moderators on here do a great job. Perfection died on the Cross 2020 years ago.

 

[Aredeeem]

Whooo. That last play on words is review worthy.

 

[ollie]

Fair enough Astro. I have seen many of IMSA's posts over the years. I must have missed the offending ones. I thank you for leaving the ones that are helpful for me and others to make an informed decision on products. it's a bummer that he let his emotions get the best of him. My suggestion to anyone on any forum is to directly PM someone who is offending you and ask them to stop. If it does not work then just ignore them.

Here. If you refuse to listen to any of us in this thread, this is a post from MolaKule on the subject. He knows more than I'll ever know:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/engine-oil-flush-treatments.307857/#post-5396892

But only relevant if you're willing to learn and listen.

I am here to learn from and help out fellow members. I am a lot more inclined to learn and listen from someone who actually has experience using a product instead of cut and pasted google searches or some negative/snide comment just to get a reaction. I'm very happy to help the community here with actual results. If there are a few who are not going to believe me it's on them.

Mr. MolaKule's is just another opinion like any other. My results are based on actually using ATF (and now Motor Medic) over many years and experiencing the results fist hand. I'm not into marketing ploys. I only use products as needed. I don't flush the Lexus's, my motorcycles (other than diesel #2 for broken clutch bits removal), or many of my other vehicles.

Flushing is nothing more than a tool to clean motors that get dirty deposits over time. Some engines are worse than others. Some such as my Lexus don't need it at all.

So it's been a few days and I have put miles on my truck. This is the best it has ran in a while. The idle is right at 750rpm and the power delivery is very smooth and precise. With nothing more than a flush and oil change my truck is running as good as ever. Just before the flush/oil change my truck was idling rough and the performance of the motor was lacking. Just as in many of my past vehicles flushing the motor has proven to be a positive service interval experience.

As far as adding the Ms02 to the oil, it will take some time and a few oil changes to see the benefit. In the past, after the Ms02 moly does it's thing, it takes about 2-3 oil changes before they start to come out clean. My last tuck saw clean oil changes the last 150,000 miles after the ATF flushes and Ms02 treatments. I'm pretty sure this motor will be no different. Now I'm wondering how many miles are on my old truck. It had over 300,000 miles on it when I got rid of it around 2013. My uncle told me the kid who has it is still driving it.

 

[PimTac]

“Mr. MolaKule's is just another opinion like any other.”


Not true. MolaKule is a expert in the field.

 

[kschachn]

Fair enough Astro. I have seen many of IMSA's posts over the years. I must have missed the offending ones. I thank you for leaving the ones that are helpful for me and others to make an informed decision on products. it's a bummer that he let his emotions get the best of him. My suggestion to anyone on any forum is to directly PM someone who is offending you and ask them to stop. If it does not work then just ignore them.

That's odd since he joined six months ago and only posted for less than a month. How have you seen many of his posts "over the years"?

 

[TiGeo]

So much drama and folks getting triggered over something as simple and mundane as a $10 can of engine flush treatment...hahahaha. If you don't like these or think they do zero/harm your engine spend your $10 instead at Taco Bell on a Mexican Pizza b/c they won't offer them any longer past November. Also, if you want to "flush" your engine, why would you use ATF or kerosene vs. a product that has at least had some thinking/engineering go into it? Ok, back to watching the 24 hours of LeMans. Also, Cars and Coffee was great this morning...some really weird stuff...Ford Contour SVT stick? Ah yeah!

 

[dogememe]

They all need to be flushed. Haters going to hate. Nearly every pro mechanic in NZ and Australia engine flush every service. Where are all the negative stories? 1000s of cars everyday. How do you clean turbo lines and filters? Ive never heard a bad story in real life only on the internet.

Wut. Why is it both my vehicles are the original engines, one at 105K and one at 295K, and never ever flushed in any way.

 

[TiGeo]

Wut. Why is it both my vehicles are the original engines, one at 105K and one at 295K, and never ever flushed in any way.

Plenty of cars go over 200K with ****ty Jiffy Lube conventional oil changes on a "oh no, forgot to change my oil last year" schedule too.

 

[OVERKILL]

Mr. MolaKule's is just another opinion like any other.

Are you serious? He's a bloody oil formulator, he has CLEARLY articulated via commentary on actual formulation why ATF is NOT a cleaner, despite your obvious mental gymnastics to justify to the contrary. This is exactly what I spoke about when I stated confirmation bias. You want it to work, so in your mind it does, actual chemistry doesn't matter, it works by virtue of sheer willpower

My results are based on actually using ATF (and now Motor Medic) over many years and experiencing the results fist hand.

What results? Actual tear-down testing and analysis to confirm proof of performance or are we talking seat of the pants personal anecdotes like "smoother" and "peppier" and all that sort of nonsense?

I'm not into marketing ploys.

Yet you are literally making one here by claiming that ATF is a cleaner.

I only use products as needed.

Is this perceived need based on actual material analysis or more SOP inference? How are you determining what "needs" a flush? Are you taking things apart before and after to verify a condition and then confirm effective mitigation?

 

[ollie]

That's odd since he joined six months ago and only posted for less than a month. How have you seen many of his posts "over the years"?

I was not aware of that. I may have mistaken him for someone else. Regardless, I appreciated what he had to offer the community and I'm glad ASTRO kept some of his posts.

So much drama and folks getting triggered over something as simple and mundane as a $10 can of engine flush treatment...hahahaha. If you don't like these or think they do zero/harm your engine spend your $10 instead at Taco Bell on a Mexican Pizza b/c they won't offer them any longer past November.

It is a very strange dynamic indeed. It's actually odd how some of these "mega posters" will do whatever they can to disprove something that they have never tried themselves. Stranger still is the fact even with positive proof and experience that using flush agents work, there are those that will post up everything they can convince others that the truth does not exist. No big deal to me. I and many others will continue to do a proper service as required which may or may not include a flush.

BTW, I'm glad I was able to post on this thread and be helpful. I like this Forum. For those of you who disagree with positive proof and honesty no problem. BITOG Rocks!!