Ecore with an Issue

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Originally Posted By: SWHeat
my ST16 e-core held up quite nicely, even with excessive carbonaceous materiel overload.

Because your by pass was probably in full flow..
 
Originally Posted By: SWHeat

You da' man! It must have been all of that PSID talk that confused me.
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Yep
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... "A filter is nothing without PSID" ... and potentially destroyed with too much PSID!
 
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: SWHeat
my ST16 e-core held up quite nicely, even with excessive carbonaceous materiel overload.

Because your by pass was probably in full flow..


That would mean the media was still seeing at least a PSID equal to the filter's bypass setting ... and probably a little more if the bypass valve was fully opened.
 
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
That would mean the media was still seeing at least a PSID equal to the filter's bypass setting

Witch can very by allot.
 
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
That would mean the media was still seeing at least a PSID equal to the filter's bypass setting

Witch can very by allot.


Agreed ... yes, it all depends on the actual bypass setting, and how much psi range it takes to go from closed to full open, and also if the bypass circuit can even flow enough to keep the PSID at some constant level.
 
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
That would mean the media was still seeing at least a PSID equal to the filter's bypass setting

Witch can very by allot.


Agreed ... yes, it all depends on the actual bypass setting, and how much psi range it takes to go from closed to full open, not to mention if the bypass circuit can even flow enough to keep the PSID at some constant level.


The latter point being something that needs serious consideration: If the bypass is unable to flow an adequate volume that it at least is able to maintain the PSID at around the level required for bypass or reduce it, then you end up with increasingly elevated PSID, which would stress the media to the point of eventual failure for sure.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
That would mean the media was still seeing at least a PSID equal to the filter's bypass setting

Witch can very by allot.


Agreed ... yes, it all depends on the actual bypass setting, and how much psi range it takes to go from closed to full open, not to mention if the bypass circuit can even flow enough to keep the PSID at some constant level.


The latter point being something that needs serious consideration: If the bypass is unable to flow an adequate volume that it at least is able to maintain the PSID at around the level required for bypass or reduce it, then you end up with increasingly elevated PSID, which would stress the media to the point of eventual failure for sure.

You bet.
 
Well here is the reply from Champion Labs

"Rich,

A hole in the media could be caused by bad or weak media. That is not a common problem at all. We would have to inspect the filter to really tell what happened. If you have any more questions or comments, feel free to contact us,

Peter Craig
Tech Rep
Champion Labs
1-800-882-0890"


I am not going to go through the hassle of packaging the filter up and sending it in since it is not my vehicle and my stepdad couldn't care less anyway.

I guess I will settle on the theory of weak media being the culprit and this just being a fluke. I am running a ST Ecore on my beater right now and I will inspect it when it is through the OCI.
 
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I think I have cut open dozens of filters. I never saw any holes or slits in any of them. Note, most of them were lower end things, Fram, ST, AC, Hastings, Purolator, STP, Power flo.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
I can't figure out what may have happened or why. BUT - as crazy as this may sound, maybe it could have happened: The OP noted in the thread that this filter was run on a vehicle with very short commutes. Short commutes, we all know, introduces a lot of excess fuel and water into the oil since it doesn't get the chance to burn off like with longer trips. Now - just what if, water was in the filter and froze - spreading the pleats. Then, when started, the oil pressure forced a sharp piece if ice thru the filter making the hole??

I know, probably not possible, but nobody has any better theories yet.


I'm looking for the second shooter on the grassy knoll.
 
Well, at the very least their CS dept responded to you and offer to take a closer look at the filter. Now, if the next one you cut open were to have the same failure then some pattern could be looked at.

I'm running an ST 3614 ecore right now on a Tacoma. I'll cut it open at the next OC just to check.

Thanks again for posting the pics.
 
I too have a 3614 (stp e-core) hanging around, as well as a Motorcraft, Napa Gold, M1, Tough Guard, and soon an Extended guard, all for the same application. I will be cutting them open to "inspect". I forgot I had all these old filters...I have been saving my used oil filters for awhile. Still need to get a filter cutter.
 
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Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
I can't figure out what may have happened or why. BUT - as crazy as this may sound, maybe it could have happened: The OP noted in the thread that this filter was run on a vehicle with very short commutes. Short commutes, we all know, introduces a lot of excess fuel and water into the oil since it doesn't get the chance to burn off like with longer trips. Now - just what if, water was in the filter and froze - spreading the pleats. Then, when started, the oil pressure forced a sharp piece if ice thru the filter making the hole??

I know, probably not possible, but nobody has any better theories yet.


I'm looking for the second shooter on the grassy knoll.



Well, let's ponder it for a moment.

Water in the oil will settle out in the pan and form a clean line if it's not yet emulsified. I've had oil sitting in jugs having an inch of clear water in the bottom. This would surely freeze if exposed to cold enough temps.

I've dumped out ice "donuts" out of my water separator on my Pukeout 504 diesel.

So, I'd say that if it sat long enough, with a significant water level, that ice could form in the filter.

Anyone got an emulsified oil that they can throw in the freezer? That should give a good indicator if it can hurt a filter.

Heck, take the cut up filter here and throw it in the freezer. See what it feels like when you take it out.
 
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
I hate to say it but IMHO i think this was a setup by the op in order to turn people away from buying e-core filters even though they are a fine filter, call me crazy if you'd like.


You think he faked it? I doubt it. Have you seen the other e-cores on the site with blown through media?
 
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
I hate to say it but IMHO i think this was a setup by the op in order to turn people away from buying e-core filters even though they are a fine filter, call me crazy if you'd like.


This corpse needed to be unearthed 18 months or so later for this revelation???? Look, if the filter involved had been built with metal end caps, into which the entire element was deeply and firmly cemented, the pleats simply COULD NOT have spread out as these did. Add to that the lack of full-area backing that a metal center tube provides, and you have a recipe for just this sort of blow through. Use e-cores if you want to -- it'll be a cold day in the underworld before I do...
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
I hate to say it but IMHO i think this was a setup by the op in order to turn people away from buying e-core filters even though they are a fine filter, call me crazy if you'd like.


This corpse needed to be unearthed 18 months or so later for this revelation???? Look, if the filter involved had been built with metal end caps, into which the entire element was deeply and firmly cemented, the pleats simply COULD NOT have spread out as these did. Add to that the lack of full-area backing that a metal center tube provides, and you have a recipe for just this sort of blow through. Use e-cores if you want to -- it'll be a cold day in the underworld before I do...


+1 million

bang on! and here I thought you were an ecore lover in the other thread.... sorry
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Guess I'm the lucky one then. Just took one off my Sister's 2007 Caravan that was in service for over a year and about 9000 miles. No problems and I'll cut it open and 99% sure that there will be no visal problems.

Never a single problem (and I've had problems with Wix filters posted here) with a Ecore. Used dozens and opened everyone up and again, no problems.

I'll use them. No worries here.

Bill
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Guess I'm the lucky one then. Just took one off my Sister's 2007 Caravan that was in service for over a year and about 9000 miles. No problems and I'll cut it open and 99% sure that there will be no visal problems.

Never a single problem (and I've had problems with Wix filters posted here) with a Ecore. Used dozens and opened everyone up and again, no problems.

I'll use them. No worries here.

Bill


Russian Roulette Bill!! But with a gun that has a million chambers and only one bullet
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Originally Posted By: webfors

Russian Roulette Bill!! But with a gun that has a million chambers and only one bullet
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Depends on what shape your gun is in.
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