I would use Sump size as a resource to help determine if I can extend my OCI's.
Does Sump Size dictate OCI?
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Originally Posted By: Coprolite
I have found that my dipstick reads full when I add one Walmart jug, even though it supposedly takes more. From my manual for the 2011 Coupe:
With oil filter change 5-1/8 qt(US) 4-3/8 qt(IMP) 4.9(L) •Engine oil with API Certification Mark*1*3
Without oil filter change 4-7/8 qt(US) 4 qt(IMP) 4.6(L) •Viscosity SAE 5w30
Apologies for my poor memory. The 'supposedly' part was related to the fact that I have never had to fill it with the manual's amount.
This engine warms up in less than half the distance traveled when compared to my 2012 335i.
Not a problem.
I remember something about 4 quarts for this engine. I thought I had misremembered when first mentioned.
That said, I think I am understanding the fast warm-up times that the manufacturers are onto, which will also happen faster with thinner oil.
Now as to the BMW M5 driven on a very hot day 100+ degrees on a track? I can only wonder if some 50 or 60-weight oil or better would have helped with that. Track = airflow; pushed hard = increased temp. I always hear that heavy oil is for HOT days and track use of engines that heat up very nicely. And I do not know the sump size of that 400HP V8 with 8 throttle bodies. Opinions?
I have found that my dipstick reads full when I add one Walmart jug, even though it supposedly takes more. From my manual for the 2011 Coupe:
With oil filter change 5-1/8 qt(US) 4-3/8 qt(IMP) 4.9(L) •Engine oil with API Certification Mark*1*3
Without oil filter change 4-7/8 qt(US) 4 qt(IMP) 4.6(L) •Viscosity SAE 5w30
Apologies for my poor memory. The 'supposedly' part was related to the fact that I have never had to fill it with the manual's amount.
This engine warms up in less than half the distance traveled when compared to my 2012 335i.
Not a problem.
That said, I think I am understanding the fast warm-up times that the manufacturers are onto, which will also happen faster with thinner oil.
Now as to the BMW M5 driven on a very hot day 100+ degrees on a track? I can only wonder if some 50 or 60-weight oil or better would have helped with that. Track = airflow; pushed hard = increased temp. I always hear that heavy oil is for HOT days and track use of engines that heat up very nicely. And I do not know the sump size of that 400HP V8 with 8 throttle bodies. Opinions?
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool
What is the sump capacity on those three VQ3x V6 motors sir
The VQ3.5DE in my 2005 Altima takes 4.5 quarts according to the manual. However with the oversized filter, I'm only a little over the full line with 5 quarts.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, the 3.6 boxer in my wife's outback takes a full 7 quarts which seems like a lot for a medium sized engine. With that amount of oil I have no problem running it to the factory recommended 7,500 mile OCI.
What is the sump capacity on those three VQ3x V6 motors sir
The VQ3.5DE in my 2005 Altima takes 4.5 quarts according to the manual. However with the oversized filter, I'm only a little over the full line with 5 quarts.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, the 3.6 boxer in my wife's outback takes a full 7 quarts which seems like a lot for a medium sized engine. With that amount of oil I have no problem running it to the factory recommended 7,500 mile OCI.
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool
And the line was the Mustang ran hot laps. The 370 just ran hot, then overheated. I am seeking out the comparo but it was early this year I saw it in print.
With respect to sump size, my G takes 4.9 L for an oil and filter change, which is around 5.2 U.S. quarts.
As for your article reference, I've seen that thread and also read a magazine article somewhere (likely C&D) mentioning such issues as well.
@Coprolite: With respect to the Walmart jugs, I have the same experience as you do. When we have rollbacks up here, they use the 4.73 L size, which is 5 U.S. quarts. Using that, I'm right at about the full line, too. I still have an unopened litre of PYB, since I had originally thought I might have to add a tiny bit to stay in the safe zone if I filled with 5 U.S. quarts.
And the line was the Mustang ran hot laps. The 370 just ran hot, then overheated. I am seeking out the comparo but it was early this year I saw it in print.
With respect to sump size, my G takes 4.9 L for an oil and filter change, which is around 5.2 U.S. quarts.
As for your article reference, I've seen that thread and also read a magazine article somewhere (likely C&D) mentioning such issues as well.
@Coprolite: With respect to the Walmart jugs, I have the same experience as you do. When we have rollbacks up here, they use the 4.73 L size, which is 5 U.S. quarts. Using that, I'm right at about the full line, too. I still have an unopened litre of PYB, since I had originally thought I might have to add a tiny bit to stay in the safe zone if I filled with 5 U.S. quarts.
Originally Posted By: wn1998
2009 Nissan versa is now out of warranty. I have been doing 6-month 7500 OCI's (G-Oil, M1, major brand sale Synthetic was used) and was wondering if the relatively small sump (4 qts) would handle a 1 year 15k OCI?
I know I should send a sample out but just give me your best educated guess. This car see's frequent 45 minute stop and go suburban drives to work.
If the car is driven 45 minutes at a strtch, moisture should always be evaporated from the oil
Fuel dilution shouldn't be a problem, unless the thing is always run hard and kept in the richer part of the fuel map.
It isn't so much sump size as power potential that would limit OCI length.
The Versa has a small engine of pretty low specific output, so it probably wouldn't tax its oil very much, even if it only holds four qts.
Having said all of the above, I'd stay with 6 months/7.5K OCIs, unless you're willing to invest in a couple of UOAs with the oil you decide to use.
You could UOA the oil after 7.5K and then go from there.
I'm not sure what you're after, since four qts of oil and a filter every six months is not much of an expense.
The more I read here the less value I place upon UOAs, since while they're fun and informative, the information they really convey is all in the interpretation.
2009 Nissan versa is now out of warranty. I have been doing 6-month 7500 OCI's (G-Oil, M1, major brand sale Synthetic was used) and was wondering if the relatively small sump (4 qts) would handle a 1 year 15k OCI?
I know I should send a sample out but just give me your best educated guess. This car see's frequent 45 minute stop and go suburban drives to work.
If the car is driven 45 minutes at a strtch, moisture should always be evaporated from the oil
Fuel dilution shouldn't be a problem, unless the thing is always run hard and kept in the richer part of the fuel map.
It isn't so much sump size as power potential that would limit OCI length.
The Versa has a small engine of pretty low specific output, so it probably wouldn't tax its oil very much, even if it only holds four qts.
Having said all of the above, I'd stay with 6 months/7.5K OCIs, unless you're willing to invest in a couple of UOAs with the oil you decide to use.
You could UOA the oil after 7.5K and then go from there.
I'm not sure what you're after, since four qts of oil and a filter every six months is not much of an expense.
The more I read here the less value I place upon UOAs, since while they're fun and informative, the information they really convey is all in the interpretation.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool
And the line was the Mustang ran hot laps. The 370 just ran hot, then overheated. I am seeking out the comparo but it was early this year I saw it in print.
With respect to sump size, my G takes 4.9 L for an oil and filter change, which is around 5.2 U.S. quarts.
As for your article reference, I've seen that thread and also read a magazine article somewhere (likely C&D) mentioning such issues as well.
@Coprolite: With respect to the Walmart jugs, I have the same experience as you do. When we have rollbacks up here, they use the 4.73 L size, which is 5 U.S. quarts. Using that, I'm right at about the full line, too. I still have an unopened litre of PYB, since I had originally thought I might have to add a tiny bit to stay in the safe zone if I filled with 5 U.S. quarts.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/bes...san-370z-page-4
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool
And the line was the Mustang ran hot laps. The 370 just ran hot, then overheated. I am seeking out the comparo but it was early this year I saw it in print.
With respect to sump size, my G takes 4.9 L for an oil and filter change, which is around 5.2 U.S. quarts.
As for your article reference, I've seen that thread and also read a magazine article somewhere (likely C&D) mentioning such issues as well.
@Coprolite: With respect to the Walmart jugs, I have the same experience as you do. When we have rollbacks up here, they use the 4.73 L size, which is 5 U.S. quarts. Using that, I'm right at about the full line, too. I still have an unopened litre of PYB, since I had originally thought I might have to add a tiny bit to stay in the safe zone if I filled with 5 U.S. quarts.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/bes...san-370z-page-4
Originally Posted By: sjstangman
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool
What is the sump capacity on those three VQ3x V6 motors sir
The VQ3.5DE in my 2005 Altima takes 4.5 quarts according to the manual. However with the oversized filter, I'm only a little over the full line with 5 quarts.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, the 3.6 boxer in my wife's outback takes a full 7 quarts which seems like a lot for a medium sized engine. With that amount of oil I have no problem running it to the factory recommended 7,500 mile OCI.
5 quarts, give or take.
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool
What is the sump capacity on those three VQ3x V6 motors sir
The VQ3.5DE in my 2005 Altima takes 4.5 quarts according to the manual. However with the oversized filter, I'm only a little over the full line with 5 quarts.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, the 3.6 boxer in my wife's outback takes a full 7 quarts which seems like a lot for a medium sized engine. With that amount of oil I have no problem running it to the factory recommended 7,500 mile OCI.
5 quarts, give or take.
Originally Posted By: GearheadTool
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/bes...san-370z-page-4
Yep, that's the one. I actually have the paper copy of that issue.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/bes...san-370z-page-4
Yep, that's the one. I actually have the paper copy of that issue.
V8s decades ago generally had 5 qt capacities.
Now with engines 1/2 that size, less oil is not really so different.
Now with engines 1/2 that size, less oil is not really so different.
My 3.9L has a 4 quart sump and I am very uncomfortable going past 5000mi OCI.
I'll do one UOA when this OCI hits 4000 miles just to check wear, then probably do 5k intervals regardless of what I can get away with. I'd rather not try and stretch out OCI's on a pushrod motor.
I'll do one UOA when this OCI hits 4000 miles just to check wear, then probably do 5k intervals regardless of what I can get away with. I'd rather not try and stretch out OCI's on a pushrod motor.
My OCI is dictated by the draconian Infiniti warranty. I still faithfully do my 6 month <3750 mile OCI with PU SN. After the first time with PP, I noticed it was slightly over full and went to one jug. The 5w30 PP has done wonders for the fuel economy of my lawn mower since then.
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