Do Oversize Oil Filters Actually Do Harm?

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In most cases we are taling about .25qt extra capacity.. it' doesn't take significantly (if measurable) longer for the oil pump to push that additional .25qt through the filter.. Think of it this way. If it's going to be empty on start up the difference betwween a small and a larger filter is insignificant.
 
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If it's going to be empty on start up the difference betwween a small and a larger filter is insignificant.

If the oil pump was putting out 5 gallons per minute at start-up, it would take almost a second longer to put out that extra eight ounces of oil.

That seems significant to me.
 
I see this as one of those "it depends" type of questions. I use an "oversize" filter on my VQ35 V-6. But in this case, the "oversize" filter is pretty small. It's roughly 2/3 the diameter and 2/3 the height of a 12 oz soda can. On the other hand the filter which Infiniti specs is absurdly small. It's "affectionately" called "the thimble", standing at about 1/2 the height of the "tall" filter I use instead. Two of the Infiniti standard filters could easily fit into a Coke can, with room to spare. Anyway, I've been using the tall filters with great UOA results, including low particle counts. So at least in the case of tiny to small, an oversize filter does no harm. Whether that changes as sizes increase, I don't know.
 
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Originally posted by ekpolk:
I see this as one of those "it depends" type of questions. I use an "oversize" filter on my VQ35 V-6. But in this case, the "oversize" filter is pretty small. It's roughly 2/3 the diameter and 2/3 the height of a 12 oz soda can. On the other hand the filter which Infiniti specs is absurdly small. It's "affectionately" called "the thimble", standing at about 1/2 the height of the "tall" filter I use instead. Two of the Infiniti standard filters could easily fit into a Coke can, with room to spare. Anyway, I've been using the tall filters with great UOA results, including low particle counts. So at least in the case of tiny to small, an oversize filter does no harm. Whether that changes as sizes increase, I don't know.

What filter is that? I bet it'll fit on my QR25DE.
 
An oversize filter usually provides more filter area than a smaller one and theoretically would provide better filtration, or at least better capacity . . . but what about start-up?

My filters are mounted close to horizontal. They can't realistically be prefilled when installed. If I use a bigger filter, it will take longer to fill the first time and the engine will be oil starved longer. Also, if the anti-drainback valve isn't perfect (none are) and the filter drains during a long shut down, like over a weekend, then this longer oil starvation will occur again and again.

Maybe oversize filters can actually do more harm to an engine than the one called out by the OEM. Something to think about.
 
good question, id like to know as well. id also like to know if you switch to an oversize filter, do you have to add more oil than usual?
 
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Originally posted by teambeechstreet:
....id also like to know if you switch to an oversize filter, do you have to add more oil than usual?

In most cases, Yes. For example, with the OEM filter on my VW GTI, the oil capacity is 4.8 qt's. With an oversized Mobil 1 M1-301 filter, the oil capacity is exactly 5 qt's.
 
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Originally posted by BigAl:
. They can't realistically be prefilled when installed.

Whilst you can't fill the filter to the top you would be surprised how much is held in there if you do pour some in. I think it helps even in situations such as yours. Certainly better than a completely dry filter.

If you are really concerned disable the ignition (I pulled my crank sensor connector) and turn over until the oil pressure comes up.
 
I wonder if the better question is, do oversized filters do any good? I don't know. Lots of speculation and conjecture both ways. I've tried oversized units but have gone back to using oem spec'ed sizes...deferring to the engine designer in the absence of any fact based reasons to do otherwise.
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Bigger filters aren't always better. My Ford truck uses a FL1A size filter. The FL299 is the oversize filter which fits my truck. I looked on the Wix filter site and saw that the 51515 is the FL1A equivalent. The FL299 Wix equivalent is the 51773. I did a check on the Wix website and saw that the smaller filter had a higher burst pressure : 270 psi vs. 225 psi. Also the smaller filter filtered down to 19 microns vs 30 microns of the larger filter.
 
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Originally posted by Roger:
I wonder if the better question is, do oversized filters do any good? I don't know. Lots of speculation and conjecture both ways. I've tried oversized units but have gone back to using oem spec'ed sizes...deferring to the engine designer in the absence of any fact based reasons to do otherwise.
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The filter manufacturers do have a disclaimer that if you use a different filter than the one they specify for a given model, they will not cover any resulting engine damage . . . I assume that means even from a defective filter.
 
The difference in time to pressure is nothing to worry about. You can disconnect the ignition if you like cranking the engine a low speed with too little oil pressure. Generally you want to start up the engine without delay, but don't worry about the filter size.
 
Buzzsaw, that's acutally the way to cross check a filter, know more about what your're getting than just the size.
 
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Originally posted by Captain Howdy:

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Originally posted by ekpolk:
I see this as one of those "it depends" type of questions. I use an "oversize" filter on my VQ35 V-6. But in this case, the "oversize" filter is pretty small. It's roughly 2/3 the diameter and 2/3 the height of a 12 oz soda can. On the other hand the filter which Infiniti specs is absurdly small. It's "affectionately" called "the thimble", standing at about 1/2 the height of the "tall" filter I use instead. Two of the Infiniti standard filters could easily fit into a Coke can, with room to spare. Anyway, I've been using the tall filters with great UOA results, including low particle counts. So at least in the case of tiny to small, an oversize filter does no harm. Whether that changes as sizes increase, I don't know.

What filter is that? I bet it'll fit on my QR25DE.


Sorry for not getting back quicker. In Mobil nomenclature, I use the M1-110, which is the "tall" filter for the G35's install of the VQ35DE. The M1-108 is the size that Infiniti specs for the car, and this is the filter that's so small you could fit two of them into a soda can. Of course, all things in perspective, the 110 is hardly "large" itself, so in this instance, I'm unconcerned about delays in oil flow from filter size. Besides, when essentially the same engine appears sideways in the I-35 (Maxima in disguise; the G35 is a much more heavily disguised 350Z), Infiniti calls for the 110 size filter anyway. Why the difference, I don't know; there's plenty of room in the G35 for the 110 "tall" filter.

Incidentally, the 104 and 105 filters also fit some VQ35 installations, but these are clearly deviant sizes, and I have not messed with them. The 105 has the narrow diameter base (of course) of the 108 and 110, but is roughly double the diameter of those two, and nearly as tall as the 110.
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EDIT: Forgot to add -- I don't have them handy, but I've seen the stats on the bypass opening pressures on these, and they're very close, but not the same. I have noted no operational problems using the tall filter for over 35k miles.
 
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Originally posted by BigAl:
An oversize filter usually provides more filter area than a smaller one and theoretically would provide better filtration, or at least better capacity . . . but what about start-up?

My filters are mounted close to horizontal. They can't realistically be prefilled when installed. If I use a bigger filter, it will take longer to fill the first time and the engine will be oil starved longer. Also, if the anti-drainback valve isn't perfect (none are) and the filter drains during a long shut down, like over a weekend, then this longer oil starvation will occur again and again.

Maybe oversize filters can actually do more harm to an engine than the one called out by the OEM. Something to think about.


Do whatever you can so the filter is at less than a 90 degree. Use ramps, jack or park it on a hill so you can get more oil in the filter without spilling it. I don't have the issues you do in regard to the filter but my drain plug is on the drivers side and on the side of the pan. So I park perpindicular to the driveway on a slight hill when I change my oil.
 
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Originally posted by Roger:
I wonder if the better question is, do oversized filters do any good? I don't know. Lots of speculation and conjecture both ways. I've tried oversized units but have gone back to using oem spec'ed sizes...deferring to the engine designer in the absence of any fact based reasons to do otherwise.
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I can quote one instance where larger filters actually helped with a design flaw. Chrysler 4 cylinder 2.2l engines used in most everything sold in the 1980 and 1990s used a very small filter. Only problem was that the standpipe on the engine came very close to the end of the filter and would starve main bearings of flow. Solution was to use a fl1-a equivalent so the standpipe was not right at the end of the filter and could flow. Chrysler put a different stand pipe on later engines to fix the problem. If you had an early one, it likely died about 80-90k miles.

Dan
 
VAG also TSB'd(?) a larger oil filter for their sludge prone 1.8T in Passats/A4's....

If the ABDV is working, then PSI delay while filter fills shouldn't be an issue.

I always prefill oil filters. This reduces the 1st start noise after a filter change.
 
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