Do magnets remove metal in oil

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Hi,
I am a new member with a few questions. Do magnets placed on the outside of the oil pan actually reduce the metal particles circulating in the oil? I had a 3" diameter flat magnet that is rather strong that I stuck on the bottom of the oil pan on the car.
 
I always place 8 mm neodymium magnets between the holes on every filter. Depending on the vehicle, sometimes they catch a little bit… Sometimes the catch a LOT
 
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Yes they will catch particles if they're large enough but not all of the sub micron wear particles will be large enough to be attracted by the force.

I have a filter mag and it definitely catches ferrous metal on the inside of can, plus I have a gold plug drain plug which usually has a small amount on it.
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
The magnets probably catch some ferrous metals.


The magnets certainly catch some ferrous metals. OTOH, they probably catch-and-release some ferrous metals.

So now you've got magnetised ferrous metals in your oil. This may not be entirely a good thing, though on balance its probably a net gain.
 
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If you place a strong magnet on the bottom of the engine oil pan, it will feel strong, but only a small part of the magnet’s field reaches the inside. Why? Because the pan has to be .60” to .100” thick steel. This ‘shunts’ the N to S poles of the magnet to each other.

However, magnets on the thin housing of a spin-on oil filter work great! The field of the magnets is shunted only slightly and most of the field goes thru and into the oil. As the oil circulates thousands of times thru the filter, particles that are close to the magnets on any one pass get pulled out of the flow.

From a GM, Ford or Chrysler point of view, magnets are expensive, and magnets that work well cost drivers over the counter $3-4, to OEMs it’s unthinkable, they want all cars to wear out!

Curved FilterMags to fit a specific dia oil filter cost $45 or so each, but I got a pair!

See pics in the PDF below. Wish I’d thought of it years ago!


FILTERMAG vs HOMEBREW
https://app.box.com/s/uxvu8dmscf5wcgftutdm0ejqwgn86tw7
 
Oops! Forgot to mention, if you place a magnet on the oil pan, if there is any accumulation inside the
pan, you wouldn't be in a position to clean it off without removing the pan!

If you left the magnet on for a long time, it's effectiveness would be further reduced by any accumulation.

If you removed the magnet, most of the wear metals would go back into the oil!

Best bet is magnets on the spin-on oil filter, when you change it the wear metals go with it!
 
The CCEFP and Iowa State University did a study on this. The results are pretty straight forward. Using a magnet does help increase filter efficiency on both ferrous and non-ferrous materials.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiey_3esL3UAhVB04MKHTxPBkEQFghOMAk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfpahub.com%2Fevents%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2%2F2016%2F06%2FSummit-Template_MagFilt060616_FINAL.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEqn-WHxp2ax1FqkarcoemMKfASgw&sig2=wV468oBl_Nl6-oqi39mesA


 
Originally Posted By: Ducked
....they probably catch-and-release some ferrous metals.

So now you've got magnetised ferrous metals in your oil.


This is just an old wive's tale. I've seen nothing to prove this correct.
 
When I replaced my drain plug a couple changes ago, I put in a magnetic plug.

Here's a picture of it from my last oil change. This was the best pic I could get with my phone. Just look at what it caught:

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Looks good, the more mags you use the more you catch. My full synthetic oil stays clear up to 7,000 miles, then
darkens a bit by the time I change it!
 
Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: Ducked
....they probably catch-and-release some ferrous metals.

So now you've got magnetised ferrous metals in your oil.


This is just an old wive's tale. I've seen nothing to prove this correct.


Well, since it's almost never discussed, you must know some old wives with pretty specialist interests.

I'd agree I've seen nothing to "prove this correct".

OTOH its intuitively VERY likely, and I've seen nothing to prove this incorrect either.

I've observed that ferrous particles on a (relatively weak) drain plug become magnetised. For capture-and-release to be "incorrect" the magnet has to have infinite capacity and be strong enough to retain all trapped material despite any turbulence or flow in the oil. I doubt these conditions are always met.

I've only seen one published (but un-referenced) mention of this point (apart from my posts, which maybe don't count) but if you know any other old wives who've gone public I'd be interested.

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/781/particle-contamination

"Magnetic Susceptibility. Permanent magnets are used in some filters and online wear particle sensors. Particles of iron or steel that are attracted to a magnetic field are preferentially separated from the oil by these devices. Later, any particles that may have sloughed off these separators and sensors (due to shock or surge flow conditions) are often left magnetized. They can then magnetically grip onto steel orifices, glands and oilways restricting flow or simply interfering with machine part movement.

Additionally, directional control and servo valves commonly used in hydraulic systems deploy the use of electro magnets in their solenoids. The actuation of these valves can be adversely affected by the magnetic susceptibility of iron and steel particles that are attracted by the solenoid."
 
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Originally Posted By: DriveHard
The CCEFP and Iowa State University did a study on this. The results are pretty straight forward. Using a magnet does help increase filter efficiency on both ferrous and non-ferrous materials.


Interesting. I wouldn't describe the non-ferrous bit as "pretty straight forward." I'd say it was fairly surprising. Can't tell from the slides how significant it is, though.

I suppose it might be explained by some adhesion or entrainment of the non-ferrous materials with the ferrous, though I didn't notice a specific explanation in the slides.

They could test the effect of introducing non-ferrous particles to the experimental filtration test mix, but I think the non-ferrous result was a test on an operating hydraulic, as opposed to a model, system.
 
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Yes they will catch particles if they're large enough but not all of the sub micron wear particles will be large enough to be attracted by the force.


ALL ferrous particles will be "attracted by the force". That's why they call it "the force".

The force on small particles will, however, be small relative to the fluid frictional resistance (because they have a low mass/surface area ratio) and random movement due to mass fluid flow and Brownian motion, so they'll have to be very close to the magnet to get trapped.
 
And when the car is subjected to a burst of full throttle high rpm operation does everyone imagine those particles will all stay put?
 
Originally Posted By: Ducked
Originally Posted By: DriveHard
The CCEFP and Iowa State University did a study on this. The results are pretty straight forward. Using a magnet does help increase filter efficiency on both ferrous and non-ferrous materials.


Interesting. I wouldn't describe the non-ferrous bit as "pretty straight forward." I'd say it was fairly surprising. Can't tell from the slides how significant it is, though.

I suppose it might be explained by some adhesion or entrainment of the non-ferrous materials with the ferrous, though I didn't notice a specific explanation in the slides.

They could test the effect of introducing non-ferrous particles to the experimental filtration test mix, but I think the non-ferrous result was a test on an operating hydraulic, as opposed to a model, system.


That is what slides 10-12 are trying to describe. My understanding is the natural attractive forces "cohesion" between small particles is what captures the non-ferrous particles. They have already "stuck" together with a ferrous particle, and then the ferrous particle gets trapped by the magnetic field...taking the non-ferrous particle with it. I have a meeting with Dr. Steward on a different topic next week...I will try to gain clarification. If you have any specific questions, please let me know and I will try to pass them along.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
And when the car is subjected to a burst of full throttle high rpm operation does everyone imagine those particles will all stay put?


Only old wives don't, apparently.

Some of those old wives ain't so dumb, but I dunno.

I'd think with a strong magnet, close to the oil, and a low debris burden, most of it will probably stay trapped, especially with a specially designed collector.

With a weaker or more distant magnet, perhaps on the outside of the oil pan, and a lot of ferrous metal in the oil (as my car has or had) some of it is probably going to get away.
 
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