You did not read the entire thread. According to Mobil1 (and other makers) cleaning agents are actually stepped up in their HM oils.
Difference between PP and PP High Mileage?
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Originally Posted by Slick17601
Originally Posted by KneeGrinder
It does not meet Dexos 1, or gen 2, it has much higher calcium, it has almost 3 times as much moly. Depending on your vehicle it might not matter at all, I use PP HM 0W20. But I paid as low as $7.00 per jug for also. I would use a PP 5W30 Dexos G2, or a PP HM 5W30 if I had to pay full price for it.
Is there a VOA verifying the 3x moly over PP?
Who cares I've gotten no written complaints from the Corolla!
Originally Posted by KneeGrinder
It does not meet Dexos 1, or gen 2, it has much higher calcium, it has almost 3 times as much moly. Depending on your vehicle it might not matter at all, I use PP HM 0W20. But I paid as low as $7.00 per jug for also. I would use a PP 5W30 Dexos G2, or a PP HM 5W30 if I had to pay full price for it.
Is there a VOA verifying the 3x moly over PP?
Who cares I've gotten no written complaints from the Corolla!
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted by Slick17601
Originally Posted by KneeGrinder
It does not meet Dexos 1, or gen 2, it has much higher calcium, it has almost 3 times as much moly. Depending on your vehicle it might not matter at all, I use PP HM 0W20. But I paid as low as $7.00 per jug for also. I would use a PP 5W30 Dexos G2, or a PP HM 5W30 if I had to pay full price for it.
Is there a VOA verifying the 3x moly over PP?
Who cares I've gotten no written complaints from the Corolla!
Mine likes the PPHM too, but I would love to see a VOA for it! I ran 3.4 qt of 5W20 and 1qt of 5W30 to bring the viscosity up a just a hair for the summer. I doubt it actually did enough to matter but hey the butt dyno likes it, and it didn't cost me any extra.
Originally Posted by Slick17601
Originally Posted by KneeGrinder
It does not meet Dexos 1, or gen 2, it has much higher calcium, it has almost 3 times as much moly. Depending on your vehicle it might not matter at all, I use PP HM 0W20. But I paid as low as $7.00 per jug for also. I would use a PP 5W30 Dexos G2, or a PP HM 5W30 if I had to pay full price for it.
Is there a VOA verifying the 3x moly over PP?
Who cares I've gotten no written complaints from the Corolla!
Mine likes the PPHM too, but I would love to see a VOA for it! I ran 3.4 qt of 5W20 and 1qt of 5W30 to bring the viscosity up a just a hair for the summer. I doubt it actually did enough to matter but hey the butt dyno likes it, and it didn't cost me any extra.
Ponchizino: I did a VOA on PPHM 0W20
Just found it. Thanks for getting it on here! I like that extra moly compared to the PQIA sample of the PP 0W20, TGMO has so much I figure the Corolla wants it's moly. If you dont mind, any idea why the viscosity @100C is 7.6 on the VOA for the HM and is 8.3 on the PQIA for PP 0W20? Thanks.
http://www.pqiadata.org/Pennzoil_Platinum_0W20_dexos.html
http://www.pqiadata.org/Pennzoil_Platinum_0W20_dexos.html
Originally Posted by Dave1027
I just found this thread https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4656479/Has_anyone_ever_done_a_uoa_on_ that states that cleaning agents are removed and seal conditioners added in the High Mileage version.
My car does not burn a drop of oil but the compression rings have a tendency to get sticky so I'm not going with the HM oil.
Detergents can not be removed and maintenance certification from your synopsis I am not going to read your link.
I just found this thread https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4656479/Has_anyone_ever_done_a_uoa_on_ that states that cleaning agents are removed and seal conditioners added in the High Mileage version.
My car does not burn a drop of oil but the compression rings have a tendency to get sticky so I'm not going with the HM oil.
Detergents can not be removed and maintenance certification from your synopsis I am not going to read your link.
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I just did a uoa of the most current formula PPHM 10W30 SN+ in my Accord. It will be the only oil I'll ever use as long as they keep making it.
My car needs oil with some magnesium in it so I'm going with the M1 AFE over the PP HM.
Originally Posted by Dave1027
My car needs oil with some magnesium in it so I'm going with the M1 AFE over the PP HM.
Interesting, how did you determine that?
My car needs oil with some magnesium in it so I'm going with the M1 AFE over the PP HM.
Interesting, how did you determine that?
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Dave1027
My car needs oil with some magnesium in it so I'm going with the M1 AFE over the PP HM.
Interesting, how did you determine that?
Magnesium is the main cleaning agent and these cars run better with higher magnesium oils which keep the piston rings cleaner.
Originally Posted by Dave1027
My car needs oil with some magnesium in it so I'm going with the M1 AFE over the PP HM.
Interesting, how did you determine that?
Magnesium is the main cleaning agent and these cars run better with higher magnesium oils which keep the piston rings cleaner.
Originally Posted by Dave1027
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Dave1027
My car needs oil with some magnesium in it so I'm going with the M1 AFE over the PP HM.
Interesting, how did you determine that?
Magnesium is the main cleaning agent and these cars run better with higher magnesium oils which keep the piston rings cleaner.
Magnesium is one cleaning agent. Calcium is another. More of anything doesn't necessarily mean better.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Dave1027
My car needs oil with some magnesium in it so I'm going with the M1 AFE over the PP HM.
Interesting, how did you determine that?
Magnesium is the main cleaning agent and these cars run better with higher magnesium oils which keep the piston rings cleaner.
Magnesium is one cleaning agent. Calcium is another. More of anything doesn't necessarily mean better.
Originally Posted by Slick17601
Originally Posted by KneeGrinder
It does not meet Dexos 1, or gen 2, it has much higher calcium, it has almost 3 times as much moly. Depending on your vehicle it might not matter at all, I use PP HM 0W20. But I paid as low as $7.00 per jug for also. I would use a PP 5W30 Dexos G2, or a PP HM 5W30 if I had to pay full price for it.
Is there a VOA verifying the 3x moly over PP?
No, I made a mistake, I forgot that the currant stock on the shelf should be SN+, I'm working on a stash of SN for the next 7-8 years. It would be misleading to post a VOA/UOA of an SN oil, I have not seen a VOA/UOA on PP HM SN+.
PP HM SN, had a UOA of 156 to 170ish moly, posted by nicklx, and also by 53' Stude, but I will not post a link. This thread is not about SN, Sorry.
Originally Posted by KneeGrinder
It does not meet Dexos 1, or gen 2, it has much higher calcium, it has almost 3 times as much moly. Depending on your vehicle it might not matter at all, I use PP HM 0W20. But I paid as low as $7.00 per jug for also. I would use a PP 5W30 Dexos G2, or a PP HM 5W30 if I had to pay full price for it.
Is there a VOA verifying the 3x moly over PP?
No, I made a mistake, I forgot that the currant stock on the shelf should be SN+, I'm working on a stash of SN for the next 7-8 years. It would be misleading to post a VOA/UOA of an SN oil, I have not seen a VOA/UOA on PP HM SN+.
PP HM SN, had a UOA of 156 to 170ish moly, posted by nicklx, and also by 53' Stude, but I will not post a link. This thread is not about SN, Sorry.
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