I have heard alot about "group III" base stock synthetic diesel engine oils, and would like to know which diesel oils are "true" synthetics. Brands that I have heard are not "true" synthetic diesel engine oils are brands like Rotella 5w40, Delo 5w40. Any ideas?
Diesel synthetics
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Amsoil diesel oils are a Gr. IV PAO synthetic except for the PCO 15w40 Blend
Mobil Delvac 1, aka Truck and SUV, is considered a true synthetic, and usually readily available at many retail locations. Otherwise, in the states, you have to look at the boutique manufacturers for true synthetic diesel engine oils, such as Redline.
So is Delvac 1 a good choice to go with? Better than Rotella or Delo 5w40's? I would prefer a 5w40 since I live in a cold climate six months out of the year, and am chosing to change my oil according to the manufacturers reccomendations, so amsoil is out of the question. I would also prefer to have a 5w oil when it is cold as opposed to a 15w as well. Anybody had success with Delvac?
D-Roc:
You can do a search in this thread if ya like.
Alot of good Results with Delvac.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=26
You can do a search in this thread if ya like.
Alot of good Results with Delvac.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=26
What kind of vehicle and engine do you have ?! Delvac 1 is among the very top synthetics on the market. I can't possibly see where you could go wrong with it. I've used D1 and now 5w-40 T&SUV with a little VSOT thrown in, which if not exactly the same formulation, it's close enough for me. My diesel runs extremely well with Delvac~T&SUV.
I haven't had any testing done so far on the oil, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. My upcoming brew will consist of 9 qts T&SUV, 1 qt RL 15-40, lube control, and VSOT. I will have this tested when I get a few thousand miles on the oil.
How's the weather been in Alberta this winter ?!
I haven't had any testing done so far on the oil, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. My upcoming brew will consist of 9 qts T&SUV, 1 qt RL 15-40, lube control, and VSOT. I will have this tested when I get a few thousand miles on the oil.
How's the weather been in Alberta this winter ?!
D-Roc;
Try Co-op 0W-40. It is the only Group IV synthetic available in Alberta in a 0W-40 weight. It is excellent oil. I have been running iy for a while now in my dodge and my VW.
HL
Try Co-op 0W-40. It is the only Group IV synthetic available in Alberta in a 0W-40 weight. It is excellent oil. I have been running iy for a while now in my dodge and my VW.
HL
Hello D-Roc,
Wal-Mart in Edmonton now carries 0W40 XD3 synthetic which is probably pretty good, Petro-Canada Bulk stations carry a full range of sythetic diesel oils incuding 5W40 HD synthetic which the Deere tech recommended to use in my dads new tractor. I run the Delvac 1 5W40 in my 03 Cummins. Union Tractor on 50th sells Baldwin Filters the cheapest in the city and any other big rig shop will sell filters a lot cheaper than over the counter retail. I get Delvac 1 at Mcewans Esso bulk station.
Wal-Mart in Edmonton now carries 0W40 XD3 synthetic which is probably pretty good, Petro-Canada Bulk stations carry a full range of sythetic diesel oils incuding 5W40 HD synthetic which the Deere tech recommended to use in my dads new tractor. I run the Delvac 1 5W40 in my 03 Cummins. Union Tractor on 50th sells Baldwin Filters the cheapest in the city and any other big rig shop will sell filters a lot cheaper than over the counter retail. I get Delvac 1 at Mcewans Esso bulk station.
XD3 Syn oil is a poa group 1V synthetic, best deal is at Esso Bulk Stations, Walmart good/more expensive but no bulk purchase required.
-60F pour point in 0-30 or 0-40. For the price and specs on this syn oil, tough to beat. I run 0-40 in Cummins Dodge Diesel (winter) and 0-30 in 05 Nissan X-Trail (year round), unbeatable summer time protection on heat visc, 0-30 at 12@100C, 15.7@100C 0-40. In summer I run 4 litres 0-40 mixed with 8 litres 15-40 (15.4@100C) both in XD3. Winter straight 0-40. 0-30 all year round in Nissan. Great oil.
If you choose XD3, you may find your oil really darken first few OCIs, XD3 will clean out the engine, after few OCIs your engine will flush out and stay clean, after numerous XD3 OCIs my oil now will only darken to dirty blonde at regular OCIs. When I bought this used Cummins diesel the oil was black at OCI with other oils prior to this great discovery of XD3.
My ppm on iron on 5k OCI is 4-6 ppm on average with winter 0-40 or summer brew of XD3, this is average over 5 oil analysis, with all the great numbers on these 5 consecutive analysis I have now stopped the analysis and will start again with another series next year, I am staying with XD3. Works for me.
Cyprs
-60F pour point in 0-30 or 0-40. For the price and specs on this syn oil, tough to beat. I run 0-40 in Cummins Dodge Diesel (winter) and 0-30 in 05 Nissan X-Trail (year round), unbeatable summer time protection on heat visc, 0-30 at 12@100C, 15.7@100C 0-40. In summer I run 4 litres 0-40 mixed with 8 litres 15-40 (15.4@100C) both in XD3. Winter straight 0-40. 0-30 all year round in Nissan. Great oil.
If you choose XD3, you may find your oil really darken first few OCIs, XD3 will clean out the engine, after few OCIs your engine will flush out and stay clean, after numerous XD3 OCIs my oil now will only darken to dirty blonde at regular OCIs. When I bought this used Cummins diesel the oil was black at OCI with other oils prior to this great discovery of XD3.
My ppm on iron on 5k OCI is 4-6 ppm on average with winter 0-40 or summer brew of XD3, this is average over 5 oil analysis, with all the great numbers on these 5 consecutive analysis I have now stopped the analysis and will start again with another series next year, I am staying with XD3. Works for me.
Cyprs
Weather has been warm, not much cold temps to speak of. Went home to the Penticton, BC to visit mom and dad over Xmas and it was colder than when I left Edmonton. I have a 2006 3500 Dodge Cummins. I am scouring to find the best 5w40 for when my engine is broken in. The Delvac sounds to me like an excellent choice. That co-op 0w40 also sounds great.
Derek
Derek
It is Polyalphaolefin as basestock. Esters. From what I understand it is as true synthetic as it gets. Reading in this forum, Mobil 1 and Esso XD3 choices are the two main true synthetics in Canada, Esso is merged with Mobil now under Imperial Oil, Esso XD3 is pretty much made by Mobil now according to my Esso Bulk attendant and postings in this forum. Esso=Mobil=Imperial in Canada.
Co-op oil story, one of my farmer customers told me this. He opened a jug of Co-op oil, it was summer, the oil was like molasses. He took the jug to Co-op, the attendant was mystified, the attendant called the Co-op tech, the tech said to pour it in crankcase, start up and run hot, the engine heat would fix the thickness problem because the oil wasn't cooked enough in refining.
This farmer has a loaded shelf of this Co-op oil, he will not use it. I am told Co-op oils barely meet CI-4 specs, the are on cheap side of additives, this is what farmers/ranchers running diesels tell me when I am on thier job sites and discuss oils, they run diesels all year round, I figure they should know.
Years ago I ran the 0-40 Co-op oil one winter when I first got my Cummins. I dont know if this 0-40 had -60F flow rate. XD3 actually is less expensive and Esso Web Page will give all specs. One thing about Esso, Ranchers/Farmers tell me this: Esso will stand behind their products, few years ago Esso has a glitch is a batch of farm diesel, this created fuel pump failures in my entire S.W. Sask area using this diesel. Esso replaced every pump on every farmer/rancher claim, many who never used Esso diesel got free pumps. Esso will not ***** food around in backing. All I hear about Esso in talking to Esso customers is Esso's guarantee/backing, peace of mind. This means alot to me.
This is why I like to do spurts of oil analysis, if anything went wrong with Esso oil, Esso would back me up if I had back up with oil analysis. If something went wrong in engine I would have oil anaylised. Same price for XD3 or less than Co-op 0-40, I have no faith in Co-op backing me like Esso in talking to guys who run up to 7 diesels all year round in farm/ranch operations. These are the guys I sit at coffee and learn about bulk diesel oils and what to use in my Cummins, this forum is also where I learn XD3 is pretty much top of line for buck too, half price of Mobil and specs are as good or better. I never hear a complaint about Duron at Petro Canada either, dont know if it is true syn like XD3.
XD3 is more abundant than most think, Polar Plus at your UFA bulk stations is XD3, good pricing on 5 litre jugs. To note, John Deere oil is XD3, good enough for John Deere in their heavy use, good enough for me in my Dodge diesel.Superstore Presidents Choice 15-40 Heavy duty Engine oil is dino XD3 at $1.00 less than Esso Bulk Plants. Ford Motorcraft in Canada is XD3 in Diesel oils from what my Bulk agent tells me, Ford and Esso in Canada have had long business relationship. Esso bottles XD3 in many lables. Except for Polar Plus at UFA if you see three stars on very bottom of bottle, the famous Black Esso Bottles with the Green ink Esso stamp on lower neck of bottle, it is Esso. Not neccessarily XD3, look for the Diesel ratings for XD3 diesel oil, the Stuperstore 5-30, 10-30 Presidents Choice is Esso Protec SL rating gas, look for above markings for Esso products and whatch for diesel and gas ratings before buying.
Yuk (poster in this forum) used a great method to find out that Presidents Choice was XD3. He called Esso, told the Esso tech his children tore off lables on his Esso bottles, he gave the green esso stamp number on the Superstore President Choice 15-40 dino bottle, the Esso tech told him it was XD3 15-40 dino right out of the Strathmore refinery in AB.
If you want, I can give you all specs on Esso XD3 specs for 0-40 and 15-40 dino. You can get them on the Esso web page, you will find long list of Esso products, on list, click on Esso XD3, you will find specs.
I would not use Co-op oil, I heard recently someone in this forum mention Co-op recently went to Esso and now bottle XD3 in Co-op bottles, that has never been backed up, I believe Co-op refines their own oil, personally I dont trust Co-op, I do Esso, Esso has all the research and technology with Mobil, I have to go with that, that is my opinion only.
Cyprs
Co-op oil story, one of my farmer customers told me this. He opened a jug of Co-op oil, it was summer, the oil was like molasses. He took the jug to Co-op, the attendant was mystified, the attendant called the Co-op tech, the tech said to pour it in crankcase, start up and run hot, the engine heat would fix the thickness problem because the oil wasn't cooked enough in refining.
This farmer has a loaded shelf of this Co-op oil, he will not use it. I am told Co-op oils barely meet CI-4 specs, the are on cheap side of additives, this is what farmers/ranchers running diesels tell me when I am on thier job sites and discuss oils, they run diesels all year round, I figure they should know.
Years ago I ran the 0-40 Co-op oil one winter when I first got my Cummins. I dont know if this 0-40 had -60F flow rate. XD3 actually is less expensive and Esso Web Page will give all specs. One thing about Esso, Ranchers/Farmers tell me this: Esso will stand behind their products, few years ago Esso has a glitch is a batch of farm diesel, this created fuel pump failures in my entire S.W. Sask area using this diesel. Esso replaced every pump on every farmer/rancher claim, many who never used Esso diesel got free pumps. Esso will not ***** food around in backing. All I hear about Esso in talking to Esso customers is Esso's guarantee/backing, peace of mind. This means alot to me.
This is why I like to do spurts of oil analysis, if anything went wrong with Esso oil, Esso would back me up if I had back up with oil analysis. If something went wrong in engine I would have oil anaylised. Same price for XD3 or less than Co-op 0-40, I have no faith in Co-op backing me like Esso in talking to guys who run up to 7 diesels all year round in farm/ranch operations. These are the guys I sit at coffee and learn about bulk diesel oils and what to use in my Cummins, this forum is also where I learn XD3 is pretty much top of line for buck too, half price of Mobil and specs are as good or better. I never hear a complaint about Duron at Petro Canada either, dont know if it is true syn like XD3.
XD3 is more abundant than most think, Polar Plus at your UFA bulk stations is XD3, good pricing on 5 litre jugs. To note, John Deere oil is XD3, good enough for John Deere in their heavy use, good enough for me in my Dodge diesel.Superstore Presidents Choice 15-40 Heavy duty Engine oil is dino XD3 at $1.00 less than Esso Bulk Plants. Ford Motorcraft in Canada is XD3 in Diesel oils from what my Bulk agent tells me, Ford and Esso in Canada have had long business relationship. Esso bottles XD3 in many lables. Except for Polar Plus at UFA if you see three stars on very bottom of bottle, the famous Black Esso Bottles with the Green ink Esso stamp on lower neck of bottle, it is Esso. Not neccessarily XD3, look for the Diesel ratings for XD3 diesel oil, the Stuperstore 5-30, 10-30 Presidents Choice is Esso Protec SL rating gas, look for above markings for Esso products and whatch for diesel and gas ratings before buying.
Yuk (poster in this forum) used a great method to find out that Presidents Choice was XD3. He called Esso, told the Esso tech his children tore off lables on his Esso bottles, he gave the green esso stamp number on the Superstore President Choice 15-40 dino bottle, the Esso tech told him it was XD3 15-40 dino right out of the Strathmore refinery in AB.
If you want, I can give you all specs on Esso XD3 specs for 0-40 and 15-40 dino. You can get them on the Esso web page, you will find long list of Esso products, on list, click on Esso XD3, you will find specs.
I would not use Co-op oil, I heard recently someone in this forum mention Co-op recently went to Esso and now bottle XD3 in Co-op bottles, that has never been backed up, I believe Co-op refines their own oil, personally I dont trust Co-op, I do Esso, Esso has all the research and technology with Mobil, I have to go with that, that is my opinion only.
Cyprs
I was in the Marine Corps in Vietnam. Stay alert and stay alive. Once your ' in the zone ' or should I say ' in the moment ' time passes very quickly. Rely on your training and common sense. You'll also need some luck.
Good luck young man.
Good luck young man.
A warm pre-welcome to Canada savvy.
My father worked for a contracting Canadian Cell Phone Equiptment throughout the U.S. in early 90's. The observation he was very impressed with in the U.S. was the quiet respectful hush in airports, hotel lobbies, restaurants etc. In humor, my father told me he never realized how reserved and quiet the Americans were until he crossed the border back into Canada and entered the first Canadian public place, the noise and commotion seemed deafening after months of working throughout the U.S.. He enjoyed the peaceful enviroment in the U.S. At no point in his quiet evenings enjoying a beer in an American bar could he remember a drunk being out of line, loud or bothering patrons, this impressed my father, he really enjoyed his quiet beer and peaceful/quiet conversations with Americans. The bars he took in were generally the Hotel bar which he stayed throughout the south up to Detroit area.
I am not knocking Canada, we are generally loud, possibly boisterous or bold but generally in good nature. Just pointing out my fathers' overwhelming observation that impacted/impressed him about the U.S.
He really enjoyed conversing with Americans over a good American beer in evenings, as a Canadian he got a lot of attention in discussions on our health care system up here.
I got down to Havre Montana which is just south of me about 100 miles. We used to go shopping there and to enjoy one of about 25 bars at a buck a beer, fun, we really found the locals there friendly and come to think of it quiet mannered too, it was the canucks making all the noise with bellies full of beer
Cyprs
D-Roc, a great reference, if you ever get the chance to talk tomberous rancher/farmers in your area on his oil of choice. These rural businesses have up to $1,000.000 worth diesel machinery to operate their farms/ranches. They work these engines hard all year round in -40C to -40F. You and I might fret about our light pickup diesel that might pull a small trailler or few bags groceries, 2x4s whatever.
In my experience in my strong agricultural area there are 6 bulk oil outlets. I have worked the farm/ranch area here 25 years in business, been to hundreds of rural operations. I am in thier shops,I see $1,000.00s of dollars worth of bulk oil for maintenance of these large investments in diesel machinery. I see about 50% XD3 in UFA, President Choice, John Deere and Esso XD3 official bottles. 30% Duron Petro Canada, 20% Co-op, Case #1 (imported from States, I'd like to use it but dont like mixed add packs from brand to brand seasonally) and even Walmart recycled oil, real cheap out, generally people prefer Walmart recycled oil over Co-op bulk.
I personally go with XD3, I believe Duron is good too, so is Case #1 in dino which is all that is offered locally.
Best case scenario, talk to farmers/ranchers who live in your area in your ambient temperature and hopefully with about 4+ oil options, listen to them, they love to talk oil and are great people,
their choice of oil is life line to their massive investment of 100's of thousands dollars in diesel machinery.
It makes my Dodge Cummins Diesel seem very insignificant compared to what they have at stake. If XD3 works for their diesels working at 2200 rpm full out on a hard load in -40C to -40F, gotta be good enough for my business truck diesel running down highway barely breaking a sweat doing 1800 rpm on a light load. The -60F startup of XD3 0-40 sells me on stop and go, I also use a 250 watt Wolverine Heat pad on my oil pan and auto transmission, this heat pad with XD3 virtually elimates winter on my Diesel and X-trail Nissan.
Good luck with oil choice and overseas D-Roc.
Sorry bout the long posts, birthday today, Please, not looking for birthday wishes or attention, my present to myself is letting everything go today and enjoy Bitog. Great way to spend the day.
Cyprs
In my experience in my strong agricultural area there are 6 bulk oil outlets. I have worked the farm/ranch area here 25 years in business, been to hundreds of rural operations. I am in thier shops,I see $1,000.00s of dollars worth of bulk oil for maintenance of these large investments in diesel machinery. I see about 50% XD3 in UFA, President Choice, John Deere and Esso XD3 official bottles. 30% Duron Petro Canada, 20% Co-op, Case #1 (imported from States, I'd like to use it but dont like mixed add packs from brand to brand seasonally) and even Walmart recycled oil, real cheap out, generally people prefer Walmart recycled oil over Co-op bulk.
I personally go with XD3, I believe Duron is good too, so is Case #1 in dino which is all that is offered locally.
Best case scenario, talk to farmers/ranchers who live in your area in your ambient temperature and hopefully with about 4+ oil options, listen to them, they love to talk oil and are great people,
their choice of oil is life line to their massive investment of 100's of thousands dollars in diesel machinery.
It makes my Dodge Cummins Diesel seem very insignificant compared to what they have at stake. If XD3 works for their diesels working at 2200 rpm full out on a hard load in -40C to -40F, gotta be good enough for my business truck diesel running down highway barely breaking a sweat doing 1800 rpm on a light load. The -60F startup of XD3 0-40 sells me on stop and go, I also use a 250 watt Wolverine Heat pad on my oil pan and auto transmission, this heat pad with XD3 virtually elimates winter on my Diesel and X-trail Nissan.
Good luck with oil choice and overseas D-Roc.
Sorry bout the long posts, birthday today, Please, not looking for birthday wishes or attention, my present to myself is letting everything go today and enjoy Bitog. Great way to spend the day.
Cyprs
D-Roc:
Take care..
Take care..
Thanks, I will definitely need it. Kandahar is not a safe place right now. Not many farmers that I deal with on a regular basis, but I will certainly search them out. No prob about the long post, they are quite informative, the most shocking piece of info is about how good XD3 really is. No one ever talks much about it, and I have only seen it at Wal-Mart. Not too common in my area. Good point from Savvy as well about the additive packages. I should have remembered that, but in my zeal of searching for a synthetic I was only interested in the "true synthetics at that moment. I've narrowed my choices down now and when the time comes to run syn I'll use the info accordingly. Thanks all.
Derek
Derek
I have used Delvac 1 in my Dodge/Cummins in the past with good luck. However, have since switched to Schaeffer's Supreme 9000 5W-40. It's 20-25% PAO, with the rest of the basestock being Group III, with an excellant additive package.
Shipped to my door, Schaeffer's is about $10US less per gallon, than what I was paying for Delvac 1 at a retail store. I don't know if Schaeffer's is represented in the Canadian market.
Shipped to my door, Schaeffer's is about $10US less per gallon, than what I was paying for Delvac 1 at a retail store. I don't know if Schaeffer's is represented in the Canadian market.
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