HDEO with a GTL base oil?

[RDY4WAR]

I fully understand the indisputable fact that rotella doesn't do good in the lab but in the real world I'm not seeing rotella be an issue. mechanical injection engines should be having issues with high foam rotella but they seemingly don't. Looking up heui injector issues with rotella on here and elsewhere yields nothing. There also doesn't seem to be a sludge issue with rotella either. They don't seem to have wear issues either. Still I won't be buying it for the time being but I'm not sure it's that big of an issue.

I see it all the time in the racing world. It's just that most of the issues are blamed on something else or are taken as normal with abusive racing use. If you're convinced, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the oil you're using is god's elixir, you'll never consider it to be the cause of any issues. "Well, I got good oil in it so that can't be the problem." What's sadder is they only think it's good oil because Joe Schmoe on Facebook, who thinks a 5W-50 is less viscous than a 10W-30, told them so. "T4 has been great. Oil pressure is great, no issues at all." "What about the fact that you're on your 3rd set of rod and main bearings in 2 years?" "Oh, that's just the cost of racing. Engine's run hard, things break, it happens." *looks over at my engine using a 0W-12 oil with the same bearings for 6 years now* ... "Ok then." Many of these people also think "oil is oil" and thus don't even consider that a better oil is even a thing.

 

[Plumb Bob]

I see it all the time in the racing world.

That's the wrong application for Rotella. That's Bruhtellitis, I reckon.

 

[altaylar]

It's interesting in this same post complaining about Rotella marketing, appears this picture. Isn't this HPL marketing? Does this test actually mean anything in the real world?

Good point, I don't think this is something that means much for your car's engine. I don't know if firms really publicly share how much marketing budget they have for their individual products, but worth remembering that marketing budget is not only spend on "manipulating the customers' opinion." Probably the rebates etc. are also included in those figures.

I still do not know much about HPL's product line, but I understand that they make some of the best oil out there, and their price reflects that. I think Rotella is a fantastic line of products, and the chances are it is way more than enough for most of us. Not to mean it is better than HPL, but it is certainly cheaper

 

[johnmyster]

I still do not know much about HPL's product line, but I understand that they make some of the best oil out there, and their price reflects that. I think Rotella is a fantastic line of products, and the chances are it is way more than enough for most of us. Not to mean it is better than HPL, but it is certainly cheaper

The rule should work both ways.

We shouldn't trash Rotella for being garbage in the wrong application and we shouldn't worship a boutique for being an amazing oil for an application we don't have. I don't really care if 2012 T6 foamed in a subaru or an outboard.

Equally, we should trash Rotella if it's garbage in the intended bro-diesel pickup market. What's that tag line LSJ is always touting? Something about application determining chemistry or performance requirements.

Meanwhile, Delo and Delvac are back on rebate cycle and that's all I care about.

 

[RDY4WAR]

D892 is a requirement for API and many licenses and approvals. HPL is not mentioned in my comment. The test was done in their lab, as they had a few minutes to do it per a request based on foam problems seen in the field, and the test reflected that. HPL is a company built on integrity. They're not going to throw away their reputation by fudging a foam test.

Foam is a problem for a number of reasons. The biggest concern is cavitation of the pump and/or bearings. It also accelerates oxidation and greatly reduces specific heat capacity causing a spike in oil temperature.

In a diesel engine lugging at 1500 rpm for hours unend with a sump measured in gallons, Rotella is likely sufficient despite it not meeting the standard. It's not for all diesels, such as the warranty claim problems it caused in 3rd gen ecodiesels. The problem I have is with many people promoting it as something it's not and using it in applications well outside the scope of its formulation such as newer GDI engines, racing engines, and so on, then failing to acknowledge its faults when something goes wrong. There's way more hype around it than there is performance, and the dollar value in the product itself is quite low unless you go all-in on rebates.

 

[buster]

Never understood the obsession with GTL.