Does anyone have a current (2024) SDS for this exact oil? Mobil does not seem to make the SDS’s for their products available on their site any more, and they state you have to call their help desk. I would rather not do that. I would like to know if they are using GTL base oil in this product and in what percentage. Also, I would like to know where they source their GTL base oils from.
Does Mobil 1 Advanced Full Synthetic 5w-30 Contain GTL Base Oil?
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Just saw that the link was disabled. Why the interest in base stocks? IIRC Lake Speed Jr. recently posted some FTIR on some Mobil product in one or more of his videos.
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You can get an idea of what type of base oil is used in an oil by comparing the flashpoints of oils within the same grade: Group III > GTL > PAO > Group II (the order may be different for base oils that are 10W and thicker).
This oil has a flashpoint (D93) of 242°C, which is very high for a 5W base oil, so it wouldn't have much if any GTL. 5W oils with GTL like PP or PUP have flashpoints of around 203-208°C (D92), equivalent to around 223-228°C with the D93 method Mobil uses.
GTL base oils also have lower Noack than Group III.
This oil has a flashpoint (D93) of 242°C, which is very high for a 5W base oil, so it wouldn't have much if any GTL. 5W oils with GTL like PP or PUP have flashpoints of around 203-208°C (D92), equivalent to around 223-228°C with the D93 method Mobil uses.
GTL base oils also have lower Noack than Group III.
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Last I read here at BITOG, the oil you question is primarily Grp 3.
For a few dollars more, the 5/10w30 EP Triple Action is more quality-driven & worth the added cost.
It (EP) is what I've used, prior to getting this darn expensive bug to purchase boutique oils brands. I can't seem to shake it, unless my wife begins to hide my credit cards. But our home is small - so is her purse and being her husband, I have a stored copy for opening the home safe.
Just call me Alexander Mundy, instead of T7
For a few dollars more, the 5/10w30 EP Triple Action is more quality-driven & worth the added cost.
It (EP) is what I've used, prior to getting this darn expensive bug to purchase boutique oils brands. I can't seem to shake it, unless my wife begins to hide my credit cards. But our home is small - so is her purse and being her husband, I have a stored copy for opening the home safe.
Just call me Alexander Mundy, instead of T7
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I ended up calling the Help Desk or whatever number I was calling to get an SDS, I got transferred to another Department, the phone rang ten times and then I was disconnected. I was looking for an SDS on another Mobil 1 Oil, I was not mad since I only wanted an SDS out of curiosity and some members say it really does not mean much.
That sounds like my experience with Mobil. I had a simple question via phone turn into a multi day email response that bounced around until it landed in the Czech Republic and they told me they don’t give out that info.
You may be a candidate for a different brand.
It’s highly variable what it means. They don’t define the formulation, they are only produced to give hazardous information to first responders and others that need safety information. As someone who wrote them in a different life I can tell you that they are not necessarily accurate as long as the toxicity and flammability information is correct. Many constituents can be substituted within those bounds and not generate a revision to the SDS.
They also give ranges which may be quite wide. And also don’t forget they do not list nontoxic elements nor will they ever reveal proprietary information nor give away trade secrets. In fact quite the opposite.
Take that for what you will but they are unreliable as a formulary if that’s what you’re after.
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then why use that product if they can't give you answer to your question?,transparent information is nice to have when you purchase a engine oil for your ultra expensive car and want a good oil product,,,,or go look at a different brand of engine oil, there are other brands that are more interested in your business that provide proper info.
Exactly. For me I really couldn’t care less as long as the product carries the approval I’m looking for. Besides I’m not able to read the tea leaves of an SDS and then predict future performance of a formulated oil. Maybe someone can but I know I can’t.
The stuff I can’t stand are the blenders that obfuscate on the approvals and licenses the oil holds or does not hold. Without that there’s no proof of performance whatsoever. There are a couple of boutique brands that have proven themselves trustworthy but anything else, no way.
4WD
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I have used M1 for decades and forgot to call them …
I have seen member Overkill post on SDS info before. He seemed to be able to glean some information from it. I am just curious. I have seen multiple posts where people say Mobil is using GTL in many of their products now. I am just trying to see if I can verify if their standard 5w-30 contains any.
Another difficulty in determining that is the API base stock interchange rules which are agnostic to production method. As long as the interchange is within the limits of VI and saturates and the rest of the requirements it can be substituted without requiring a retest. Since GTL produced Group III base stock is governed by the same definition as any other Group III there are multiple ways to achieve that performance. API interchange specifically excludes the production method as a criteria.
But after all that if the SDS is current and accurate you can tell a little within the bounds of the percentages. Things change with market availability all the time however.
Somehow I've suspected this is your point all along.
You suspected wrong. Facetious comment.
I've found the scent of newly opened oil differs significantly. Most "full synthetics" have that heavier waxy aromatic note to them. Whereas GTL, well at least the Helix Ultra oils from Shell have a lighter less intense note similar to PAO oil.
You could be able to find a hint by looking at pour point since it correlates well with the extent of de-waxing process and amount of saturated hydrocarbons. In case of -42°C, it's quite typical pour point for group III base oils. GTL would readily make it down to higher -40s and lower -50s.
We are sniffing oils. This is on a new level.
I’m still in, for now.
But, if y’all start taking shots of this stuff, I’m out.
4WD
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Don’t swirl it in your wife’s wine glass or let it linger on the palate
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