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Gents/Gals,
I am back from a self imposed sabbatical [long story different thread coming soon]

I found out that I am diabetic, I was little depressed and shocked first but got my chunky [censored] out to workout and change diet etc. I am down 25lbs and 20 more to go.

I am on meds, metformin 2000 mg,
I did a little test c-peptide which concluded that my insulin production is perfect.

No have to figure why my insulin is not working.
 
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Weight loss and vegetarian based diet is is how you control or even reverse it.


It is nothing short of amazing the power of vegetables can have on illness.

It should be obvious to everyone that if food (low quality) can cause the illness, the only proper way to treat it is with high quality food.

...but that's not how pharma makes money.
 
@Lolvoguy, it is more true than not. Unfortunately, we start thinking about it only when we reach a crisis point of acquiring a chronic disease, cancer, etc. Diet like that is not a magic cure but it certainly is better than otherwise.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Most older or overweight males are at least pre diabetic.
https://doihaveprediabetes.org/


Your score is 5 out of 10. You are likely to have prediabetes.
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Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Weight loss and vegetarian based diet is is how you control or even reverse it.


It is nothing short of amazing the power of vegetables can have on illness.

It should be obvious to everyone that if food (low quality) can cause the illness, the only proper way to treat it is with high quality food.

...but that's not how pharma makes money.


So go for some synthetic vegetables? lol,
in all seriousness, what genre of vegetables are we talking?
I started on Okra, cooked, lightly fried. Yummy and supposed to be good for D
 
Originally Posted By: Hyrde
Type 1 diabetic here, great job dropping those pounds! Just wanted you add you might have insulin resistance, especially if you're overweight. See this link:

http://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/insulin-resistance-symptoms

If this is the problem, it should improve as you're losing weight. I'd guess the doctors already considered this though, but it's something to look at.


You are on the money,
My body is making the insulin but I have been told that it does not get activated.
 
Originally Posted By: stockrex
My body is making the insulin but I have been told that it does not get activated.
The insulin cannot be absorbed because your cells (very simplistic explanation) build a shield around them that prevent absorption; e.g insulin resistance. The primary danger (not negating the other health effects) is that over time, your pancreas (which produces insulin) will tend to shut down and this is why nearly always a Type II diabetic has to eventually go on insulin. Type I diabetics usually do not have the same issue, typically their pancreas does not produce enough insulin or none at all.

Not only do you need to lose weight, you need to consign yourself to the fact that you need to exercise EVERY DAY, dump the processed/fried foods, limit certain types of carbohydrates, and watch the fats in other foods. It is the overall "system" that you must look at and not one single thing.

As someone who recently lost a full person in body weight, I can emphasize with your plight. While not all of this will apply to you, here is something I wrote to present to a group of people fighting the same battle I once did:

Ten Thoughts On Weight Loss and Fitness

So like many others out there, you find yourself (after years of existing) overweight with perhaps a medical ailment or two. You have tried dozens of diets, weight loss food, medicine, and you still find yourself overweight. Here are some thoughts on this dilemma:

1. Make peace with yourself…
…for whatever you may be carrying inside—bury those old bones and leave them buried. We all, to some degree, carry baggage. Dump it, for nothing has a way of demotivating one as old “junk” can and harboring bad feelings can affect your emotional state of mind as well as your physical. Just let it go…

2. There is no magic bullet…
…just as it took time to gain the weight, one will not lose it overnight and there are no easy fixes. Determination, motivation, good choices, and hard work are all the ingredients of the recipe for gaining and maintaining a fitness level. Manage your expectations, but revel in your accomplishments.

3. The Rolling Stones were wrong…

…time is not on your side. Today is the first day of the rest of your life and there is no tomorrow until it happens. The sooner that you commit to your new you, the sooner you will see results. What is on your side is consistency and the willingness to do something. Remember that walking 1000 steps is far better than your neighbor who lives on the couch—you are still “speeding” right by them even when you are walking.

4. Celebrate your victories…

…just not with food! America has become a “food reward” country—most everything is celebrated with food (in some shape or fashion). Find a different way to celebrate such as buying new clothes or treat yourself with a trip to the mall—better yet walk that extra mile. Alternately, do not lament your losses—instead learn from them. Use these opportunities as a learning experience to not repeat those mistakes and move on.

5. Fifty-seven gazillion types will not work…

…and it is because a fundamental change needs to happen. Ever been on a “diet”? Was it successful long term? I can answer that—no (and if it was consider yourself in the ultimate minority). Any idea why? The simplest answer is a core change needs to happen with the decisions you make about food and diets are short term (at the very best) solutions. The diet industry makes billions of dollars per year on people just like me and you. You must change your lifestyle and your eating habits—then and only then will you see long term weight management.

6. Sometimes it IS about the math…
…remember when Mrs. Idleman, your high school algebra teacher said that one day algebra would save your life? Well, today is that day, but the math is far more elementary than that. In the simplest terms, if you take in more calories than you burn AND need to maintain your weight, you will gain weight and if you take in less, you will lose weight. Research and find that balance and start living it every day—you will be amazed at the results.

7. Find someone you trust…

…in the medical profession. Your doctor can be your biggest ally in the battle of the bulge and I am not talking about pills or quick fixes (and there are some out there). Find a doctor that “gets into you” and cares about your health. Have a physical done and find out where you stand, then together make a plan for long term weight loss and maintenance. You will thank yourself for this later.

8. Not everyone will be jumping for joy…
…and you will have to accept that fact going in (also re-read #1). There will always be those who put you down or try to dissuade you from becoming healthy—crazy right? Ignore them TOTALLY and consider removing them from your life. Having negativity hanging around your neck like an albatross is a guarantee for failure. If those persons REALLY cared about you they would support you to the fullest instead of “working against” you.

9. You are a Jedi…

…and the master of your universe and destiny. It is incredibly easy to become trapped in a routine that is neither healthy nor productive. Take charge of your life—it is yours after all to live! So start living instead of EXISTING—steal 1 hour out of 24 to make yourself healthy. After all, you deserve a good life and without your health you have NOTHING!

10. There is no escape…
…from the fact that exercise has to become part of your life (not your existence—see #9). The great news is there are infinite possibilities when comes to exercising. Find what works for you and have fun with it. "Your body responds very positively, very quickly to even small amounts of exercise," says lead study author Tim Church, MD, PhD. "If you're sedentary, you'll see a lot of your greatest gains going from zero to 10 minutes a day." Find the proper outfit for what you are doing—clothes, shoes, etc. Your body will thank you for it.
 
Stock,

Your asking laymen about medical advice. Tread very carefully, because you will see
misinformation online, and from other community members.

I believe this community can be a great place to get support with your disease, but that's about it.

First, If you don't have insurance, it might be time to look at some options and shop around.

My opinion (not medical advice) is this:

Get a referral from your GP to see a nutritionist (with several visits).

I prefer licensed clinical nutritionists over registered dieticians, but your GP can help

you make an informed decision on which to go to.

I rarely have to fight insurance companies for this because, I frame it to them as a

preventive treatment to help keep patients out of expensive inpatient care.

Go to your nutritionist/dietician appointment with a notepad and questions. Ask lots of

questions, then request menu items/recipes, caloric programs to start, and I'd encourage

you to discuss your disease, concerns, and any comorbidities with them as well.


Best of luck to you.

- Timo

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My wife has type 1 diabetes and half the people she tells don't know the difference between type 1 and type 2.
They see a skinny woman and cant believe she's a diabetic.
Be thankful you have type 2 diabetes and have the possibility to reverse it.
 
My friend at work reversed his Type 2. No more diabetes meds for him. My blood glucose has always been high but it's creeping higher every year. Up to 124mg/dl.

I've decided to lose weight and exercise more. I'm down 15lbs and 15 to go.

If you don't eat much carbs, your body won't need much insulin, right? I'm low-carb Leo now.
 
I am not diabetic, and never have high blood sugar. I have been actively exercising since my 20's. Including regular long distance bicycling/racing, motocross, enduro racing, and weightlifting. Even so, I have insulin resistance due to my age and other health issues. It causes problems, including the symptoms of "low blood glucose" when I have a fairly normal levels.

I have found the solution is daily maximal effort weightlifting, in the AM, at the gym. AND, a very low glycemic diet. I eat only natural proteins and uncooked veggies. Salad and fish is a regular thing. Tonight is Salad with chicken. No bread, no pasta, no croutons, limited fats.

I also keep my weight as low as I can stand, which is around 200 pounds for my build. I am fairly muscular.

"IF" you have low testosterone, get that addressed. Testosterone levels greatly affect diabetes, glycemic control and A1c levels. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24369149

In fact, some men claim to have completely reversed the symptoms diabetes with high testosterone levels and weightlifting.
 
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Originally Posted By: Cujet
I am not diabetic, and never have high blood sugar. I have been actively exercising since my 20's. Including regular long distance bicycling/racing, motocross, enduro racing, and weightlifting. Even so, I have insulin resistance due to my age and other health issues. It causes problems, including the symptoms of "low blood glucose" when I have a fairly normal levels.

I have found the solution is daily maximal effort weightlifting, in the AM, at the gym. AND, a very low glycemic diet. I eat only natural proteins and uncooked veggies. Salad and fish is a regular thing. Tonight is Salad with chicken. No bread, no pasta, no croutons, limited fats.

I also keep my weight as low as I can stand, which is around 200 pounds for my build. I am fairly muscular.

"IF" you have low testosterone, get that addressed. Testosterone levels greatly affect diabetes, glycemic control and A1c levels. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24369149

In fact, some men claim to have completely reversed the symptoms diabetes with high testosterone levels and weightlifting.


That was an older study. More recent ones say otherwise:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25557752

Most other studies have show that it's less promising that originally thought:

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots...alth-it-depends

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/health/testosterone-therapy-study/
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359

That was an older study. More recent ones say otherwise:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25557752

Most other studies have show that it's less promising that originally thought:

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots...alth-it-depends

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/health/testosterone-therapy-study/


The articles you linked do not address the strong blood glucose and testosterone connection.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/hs/low-testosterone-guide/low-testosterone-diabetes/

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/303291.php

Quote: "The men with low testosterone were randomized to receive a testosterone injection or a placebo every week for 24 weeks.

Testosterone did not change the men's body weight, but there was a reduction in total body fat of 3 kilograms (more than 6 pounds), while muscle mass increased by the same amount.

There was also a dramatic increase in insulin sensitivity, demonstrated by a 32% increase in the uptake of glucose by tissues in response to insulin, and a similar increase in the expression of the major genes that mediate insulin signaling. Fasting glucose levels also diminished significantly, by 12 milligrams per deciliter. "

In fact, it also seems that within reason, it is testosterone dose dependent, with more having a better effect. I have read about people who bring T levels to 800-1200 ng/dl and have complete remission of diabetes "numbers" when coupled with daily workouts. Fasting blood glucose is brought down to normal levels.
 
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The first one I linked to was in 2015, you posted a link from 2014.

Not all solutions come in a pill or gel.

There's also drawbacks like unknown long term effects on cardiac health and the medical castration it can cause.
 
Get a copy of "Prime Time Health" by Dr. William Sears (2010). It's the best overall, simple to read book on basic nutrition and disease fighting that I've had the pleasure to read. And I've read a couple dozen books on the topic. There's no magic bullet, only common sense and good science. Start by eating the 16 super-foods and getting rid the junk/dead foods that are literally killing us. Nutritionfacts.org is another place for almost anything you want to know about good nutrition and fighting disease. Very simple format with short 3-8 minute videos.

At age 55 I thought I was stuck at a "fat" 220 lbs forever. 9 months later I was at 165 lbs (sophomore in high school weight) with all my key blood level numbers at optimum. I recall my blood glucose levels were in the 95-105 levels for years....now at 70-78. I kicked all my blood pressure and asthma meds. Haven't had a case of bronchitis or flu in over 7 years....something I used to catch every year. Can't say I've even had a bad cold either.

It is really amazing what you can do if you eat right, mix foods right, and adhere to basics. It took me at age 55 to learn proper nutrition for the first time....hello garlic and onions, apple cider vinegar, spices of all sorts, broccoli, romaine, peppers, berries, flax seeds, avocado, cabbage, kale, nuts and seeds, etc....no pasta, no bread, no fried foods, no sodas or sugary juice drinks, cut out sugar and hydrogenated fats, less beef and chicken and more salmon/grains/beans/lentils. I've made it a point never to leave the house without a good snack or meal in my hands so I don't have to stop for junk before getting home. It helps.

We all have to decide if we want to be sick or as healthy as possible in our middle age to older years. It's a choice. Nutrition is great medicine. Start by reading.
 
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