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[Lolvoguy]

One thing that was mentioned before that I must echo, is that everyone's body is different! I cannot stress that enough!

For me, my body despises most grains. Even rice doesn't get processed properly and gums up my system and causes strange allergic reactions like puffy skin patches, and a plugged digestive system. Strange as I ate a large amount of rice growing up (since it was cheap).

Since switching to various forms of starches like pumpkin, squash, potatoes, sweet potatoes etc. These combined with lean meats and veggies have me far more lean than when I was in my 20's! And when prepared properly can be a fantastic snack! My SO preps them from the oven with various seasonings. You can choose simple stuff like chilli flakes, or get crazy with Indian spices.

As mentioned before, this is what works for me. Not everyone's body is the same, nor can they eat the same. My SO cannot eat any form of beans as it just doesn't digest properly and causes terrible discomfort. Myself, if I eat them without grains I'm perfectly fine. Only when I pair them with rice or any other grains do I have problems.

 

[Duffyjr]

Here is a site that helped me tremendously, blood sugar 101.

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/

OP, get your self a glucose meter and eat to your meter. After 3 years I don't test all that much anymore because I know what foods I can eat and what I can't eat. Just watching my carb intake I have lost almost 70 pounds and half of that I lost in the first year.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: Leo99
My friend at work reversed his Type 2. No more diabetes meds for him. My blood glucose has always been high but it's creeping higher every year. Up to 124mg/dl.

I've decided to lose weight and exercise more. I'm down 15lbs and 15 to go.

If you don't eat much carbs, your body won't need much insulin, right? I'm low-carb Leo now.

That is what my doc says, lose weight and it will reverse.
I need to get disciplined about going to the gym or going on a run. Just too many distractions right now.

Good for you Leo, I am down 25 and going for another 25.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Weight loss and vegetarian based diet is is how you control or even reverse it.


Dang, I love meat and eat a lot of fish too. well I only eat meat few times a week.

Giving up meat will be hard bro.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: stockrex
My body is making the insulin but I have been told that it does not get activated.
The insulin cannot be absorbed because your cells (very simplistic explanation) build a shield around them that prevent absorption; e.g insulin resistance. The primary danger (not negating the other health effects) is that over time, your pancreas (which produces insulin) will tend to shut down and this is why nearly always a Type II diabetic has to eventually go on insulin. Type I diabetics usually do not have the same issue, typically their pancreas does not produce enough insulin or none at all.

Not only do you need to lose weight, you need to consign yourself to the fact that you need to exercise EVERY DAY, dump the processed/fried foods, limit certain types of carbohydrates, and watch the fats in other foods. It is the overall "system" that you must look at and not one single thing.




PSD,
I agree, my resolve is there, I have not eaten any sugar since 11/2016. Few raisins, dates or figs sometimes before I go for my run/walk.

Doing it everyday is the hardest part, with my crazy schedule, I improvise a lot, like yesterday I was power walking in Hatfield (ATL) between my flights.

Congrats on losing the weight,
I am eating small meals 6x a day and trying to sleep 7 plus hours. The latter has been a challenge.

I have set my aim at running a 10k late summer this year!

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: Timo325
Stock,

Your asking laymen about medical advice. Tread very carefully, because you will see
misinformation online, and from other community members.

I believe this community can be a great place to get support with your disease, but that's about it.

First, If you don't have insurance, it might be time to look at some options and shop around.

My opinion (not medical advice) is this:

Get a referral from your GP to see a nutritionist (with several visits).

I prefer licensed clinical nutritionists over registered dieticians, but your GP can help

you make an informed decision on which to go to.

I rarely have to fight insurance companies for this because, I frame it to them as a

preventive treatment to help keep patients out of expensive inpatient care.

Go to your nutritionist/dietician appointment with a notepad and questions. Ask lots of

questions, then request menu items/recipes, caloric programs to start, and I'd encourage

you to discuss your disease, concerns, and any comorbidities with them as well.


Best of luck to you.

- Timo

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Timo,
Good Point, yes we are at BITOG asking for oil advice from lay person cuz our collective knowledge. You absolutely correct, everyone is different, but there so many options towards a solution. Sharing our experience helps us to learn to each other.

Honestly, my GP does not have the time to think through all the options. A physician has around 15 minutes for a visit.
Yes Sir, I have gone through all the stuff I eat and pinned down a diet.

Here is what I have added till now:
1. Gymnema Tea
2. Cut out wheat

Good Idea on going to a dedicated nutritionist, I have a buddy at work, hmm, may be I can take her out to lunch

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: Cujet
Originally Posted By: Wolf359

That was an older study. More recent ones say otherwise:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25557752

Most other studies have show that it's less promising that originally thought:

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots...alth-it-depends

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/health/testosterone-therapy-study/


The articles you linked do not address the strong blood glucose and testosterone connection.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/hs/low-testosterone-guide/low-testosterone-diabetes/

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/303291.php

Quote: "The men with low testosterone were randomized to receive a testosterone injection or a placebo every week for 24 weeks.

Testosterone did not change the men's body weight, but there was a reduction in total body fat of 3 kilograms (more than 6 pounds), while muscle mass increased by the same amount.

There was also a dramatic increase in insulin sensitivity, demonstrated by a 32% increase in the uptake of glucose by tissues in response to insulin, and a similar increase in the expression of the major genes that mediate insulin signaling. Fasting glucose levels also diminished significantly, by 12 milligrams per deciliter. "

In fact, it also seems that within reason, it is testosterone dose dependent, with more having a better effect. I have read about people who bring T levels to 800-1200 ng/dl and have complete remission of diabetes "numbers" when coupled with daily workouts. Fasting blood glucose is brought down to normal levels.


Cujet, Interesting, most diabetics have ED of some sort.
Wolf, I hear you, enlarged heart is the most common side effect of excessive T hormones.

I will get a blood test done, I am curious.

 

[Wolf359]

Hope you take care of yourself. I've known a few people who had it and a couple of them had their toes amputated. After that, it kept progressing and he was in danger of getting his leg amputated. Not sure what happened afterwards as he moved away.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Hope you take care of yourself. I've known a few people who had it and a couple of them had their toes amputated. After that, it kept progressing and he was in danger of getting his leg amputated. Not sure what happened afterwards as he moved away.


Yikes, I hear you bro,
It was a wake up call for me, now eating healthy and workout is on top of my to do list.
I need to run through the insurance DME [censored] to get my testing supplies and baselining my blood sugar vs time vs foods.

 

[Wolf359]

Originally Posted By: stockrex
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Hope you take care of yourself. I've known a few people who had it and a couple of them had their toes amputated. After that, it kept progressing and he was in danger of getting his leg amputated. Not sure what happened afterwards as he moved away.


Yikes, I hear you bro,
It was a wake up call for me, now eating healthy and workout is on top of my to do list.
I need to run through the insurance DME [censored] to get my testing supplies and baselining my blood sugar vs time vs foods.


Yeah, it's no joke. It's just so common that it doesn't really make any news, but you don't take care of it, it's very common for the outer extremities to go first. I think one guy was also starting to lose vision in one of his eyes.

 

[Shannow]

I've got a couple of posts to add.

FIL was diagnosed with type 2, and had the best GP in the district, told him he had three months to get his act together or he was going to need medication.

Recommended that he go to a guy in town who trains female body builders for diet and exercise advice.

Diet was pretty simple, lots of veges and protein with a few carbs through the day, eat every 1.5 hours.

lunch and tea were 100 grammes of tuna and chicken/pork/beef/lamb respectively. the snacks had half an egg on a cracker bread or something like that...lots of salad.

Lots of walking, Ken pushed that to 12 miles a day.

In 6 months he'd lost a bucket of weight, and had normal sugars and blood pressure.

 

[Shannow]

Other one is pretty current, a workmate (Controls Engineer) was recently diagnosed, and it's amazing to watch, as him being a controls engineer, he works on inputs/outputs and analysis.

Things that he's picked up:
* muscle mass gives the sugars plenty of places to go - returned to competive swimming, and last few months has been doing kickboard, which has built up his upper leg muscles...sugars have plummetted to the point that he's had to increase carbs.
* retrograding carbs was something I discovered and passed on, and he has been using it to great effect. Boiling potatoes today and eating versus boiling today and eating tomorrow halves his glucose spike.(*)

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3941100/retrograding_starches_-_better

(*) back to back testing, same pasta meal eaten today, and the same serve refrigerated and reheated tomorrow gave same effect...having retrograde starches before a beer reduces the impact that the beer has also.

 

[alarmguy]

A diet based on Fruit, Vegetables, Chicken, Fish, limit carbs
No snacks, no fried food.

A proper BMI weight for your height and I am willing to bet, based on your post you wont need meds.
I truly do not think, as a start that you need to look past my post.

Proper body weight (no excuses) breakfast and dinner. No snacks, go from there.

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Other one is pretty current, a workmate (Controls Engineer) was recently diagnosed, and it's amazing to watch, as him being a controls engineer, he works on inputs/outputs and analysis.

Things that he's picked up:
* muscle mass gives the sugars plenty of places to go - returned to competive swimming, and last few months has been doing kickboard, which has built up his upper leg muscles...sugars have plummetted to the point that he's had to increase carbs.
* retrograding carbs was something I discovered and passed on, and he has been using it to great effect. Boiling potatoes today and eating versus boiling today and eating tomorrow halves his glucose spike.(*)

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3941100/retrograding_starches_-_better

(*) back to back testing, same pasta meal eaten today, and the same serve refrigerated and reheated tomorrow gave same effect...having retrograde starches before a beer reduces the impact that the beer has also.


Shannow,
Good point, building muscles is a positive for anyone at any age, especially me at 43.
I just have to watch my joints and not over do it, I have been pumping iron 2x a week for about 45 mins each time, need to increase that to couple of hours at a time.

Great article, I bookmarked it and will download it to read on my flight back home. Thanks,

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
A diet based on Fruit, Vegetables, Chicken, Fish, limit carbs
No snacks, no fried food.

A proper BMI weight for your height and I am willing to bet, based on your post you wont need meds.
I truly do not think, as a start that you need to look past my post.

Proper body weight (no excuses) breakfast and dinner. No snacks, go from there.



Yes Sir, look at the animal kingdom, fruits and nuts, I am slowly switching to all fish and lean fruit/nuts diet.
Only problem is when I travel, options are very limited plus have to grab they have out at the concierge most of the time.
I pack a meal now with me on my way out, I chill it and take on the plane with me but that only lasts me 1 day.

Yes, that is my aim, I am a bit behind on cardio fitness, but my aim to get to 180 lbs

 

[Alfred_B]

A workout should not last more than 45 minutes with the whole session no more than an hour including warm-up and cool-down/stretch. I recommend to see if you can join a crossfit gym with certified trainers. Their workouts are usually designed around this philosophy.

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: stockrex
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Weight loss and vegetarian based diet is is how you control or even reverse it.


Dang, I love meat and eat a lot of fish too. well I only eat meat few times a week.

Giving up meat will be hard bro.


Healthy proteins do not cause a blood sugar spike, they digest slowly and maintain even energy levels over longer periods of time. A less than ultra-cautious vegetarian diet will cause glucose spikes and the resulting insulin reaction and difficult to control blood glucose levels. Veggies are carbs. Cooked veggies digest easily.

Fruits are sugar, period, end of story. Yes, some fruits are lower in sugar. If you are diabetic and eat lots of fruit, enjoy the wild ride. In strict moderation, they are OK. People assume that fruits and veggies are the cure for diabetes. That is not necessarily true.

Quote: "Protein and Blood Sugar. Meat and poultry are not carbohydrate sources and as such do not have an effect on blood sugar. Therefore, meat and poultry are not included in the glycemic index. Consuming animal protein sources such as beef and poultry should not elevate your blood sugar"

 

[supton]

I like rice but I've found that quinoa works well enough for stuff like homemade stir fry. Quinoa rates a 53 on the glycemic index, from a quick search. Interestingly enough, carrots rate 71. Regular pasta seems to be 75. Point being, quinoa might be a "good enough" grain to replace the filler-food pasta&rice sometimes is.

I need to go back and reread Shannow's post. I remember that thread and thinking there was something there that I should pay attention to.

 

[nstoolman1]

I was a diabetic for 25 years. Three years ago I started the Keto diet. Within 1 year I was off all my diabetes
meds and lost 20 lbs. I am insulin resistant and carbs are poison to ME. I only say what has worked for me. I
still eat too much at times but I am doing better. Good luck in your search for health.