Another Dexos in a can additive
https://www.aftonchemical.com/ProductDataSheets/Engine Oil/HiTEC-11100_PDS.pdf
https://www.aftonchemical.com/ProductDataSheets/Engine Oil/HiTEC-11100_PDS.pdf
Dexos liscensing isn't THAT difficult to get.
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Originally Posted By: ragtoplvr
I am of the opinion that dexos was created to reduce the common and expen$ive cam chain repair on the 3.6 engine. They could admit they screwed up when the made the cam chain narrower and go back to the wider chain. Of course, it is GM. Also to reduce failures of the AFM V8 system.
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It wasn't the whole reason, but I can see the arguments at GM along those lines of less warranty repairs, agreed.
I am of the opinion that dexos was created to reduce the common and expen$ive cam chain repair on the 3.6 engine. They could admit they screwed up when the made the cam chain narrower and go back to the wider chain. Of course, it is GM. Also to reduce failures of the AFM V8 system.
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It wasn't the whole reason, but I can see the arguments at GM along those lines of less warranty repairs, agreed.
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Another Dexos in a can additive
https://www.aftonchemical.com/ProductDataSheets/Engine Oil/HiTEC-11100_PDS.pdf
Infineum has one too.
Another Dexos in a can additive
https://www.aftonchemical.com/ProductDataSheets/Engine Oil/HiTEC-11100_PDS.pdf
Infineum has one too.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Lubrizol's "cookbook recipe" for a dexos1 engine oil requires at least 75% GroupIII (synthetic) oil, when using their additive chemicals:
How can we know which oils contain PV1202 in their add pack?
Lubrizol's "cookbook recipe" for a dexos1 engine oil requires at least 75% GroupIII (synthetic) oil, when using their additive chemicals:
How can we know which oils contain PV1202 in their add pack?
I just don't worry about it. I have never used a "approved" only dexos1 oil in any GM product, ever. I use a quality oil, from a very reputable maker, that claims API SN, ILSAC GF-5, and dexos1 conformance. Just like I don't worry if the oil for my semi trucks is on some "approved" list or not. Have taken a couple of those to well over 1 million miles and never had an oil related issue. As long as the oil is the viscosity recommendation of the OEM, and it meets the latest industry standards, I am quite comfortable with it. In the heavy truck case, CJ-4.
The one thing overlooked of all the comparison chart stuff, is that GF-5 has a better package than dexos1 in terms of ethanol in fuel. Spider web charts really show the differences. That is interesting since GM puts out all those flex fuel vehicles and promotes heavy ethanol use. See, that is why I don't worry too much about approvals and such. I just use an oil that meets or exceeds the SN, GF-5, and dexos specs. And I don't care if it is on an "approved" list or not. To me, that is the same thing as Mobil's "Official Oil of NASCAR" marketing gig.
The one thing overlooked of all the comparison chart stuff, is that GF-5 has a better package than dexos1 in terms of ethanol in fuel. Spider web charts really show the differences. That is interesting since GM puts out all those flex fuel vehicles and promotes heavy ethanol use. See, that is why I don't worry too much about approvals and such. I just use an oil that meets or exceeds the SN, GF-5, and dexos specs. And I don't care if it is on an "approved" list or not. To me, that is the same thing as Mobil's "Official Oil of NASCAR" marketing gig.
Originally Posted By: shiny
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Lubrizol's "cookbook recipe" for a dexos1 engine oil requires at least 75% GroupIII (synthetic) oil, when using their additive chemicals:
......
How can we know which oils contain PV1202 in their add pack?
Great question. I'd like to know what oils, like maybe MAG1, Coastal, SuperTech, etc. for example, use the Lubrizol dexos1 PV1202 chemicals since it seems like good stuff.
That kind of thing isn't generally disclosed, probably for reasons of "marketing mystique" so each oil label brand can appear as if they have their very own mad scientist and their oil is unique. All image of course.
Mobil1, Pennzoil, QuakerState, Castrol, Havoline, Chevron, Shell doesn't use Lubrizol. That leaves about a thousand "blender" private label oils who don't disclose.
Maybe another reason NOT to disclose whose chemical package you buy for your private label dexos1 oil is simply that your company might change it every year or so depending on what deals you get from either Afton, Oronite, Lubrizol, or Infineum.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Lubrizol's "cookbook recipe" for a dexos1 engine oil requires at least 75% GroupIII (synthetic) oil, when using their additive chemicals:
......
How can we know which oils contain PV1202 in their add pack?
Great question. I'd like to know what oils, like maybe MAG1, Coastal, SuperTech, etc. for example, use the Lubrizol dexos1 PV1202 chemicals since it seems like good stuff.
That kind of thing isn't generally disclosed, probably for reasons of "marketing mystique" so each oil label brand can appear as if they have their very own mad scientist and their oil is unique. All image of course.
Mobil1, Pennzoil, QuakerState, Castrol, Havoline, Chevron, Shell doesn't use Lubrizol. That leaves about a thousand "blender" private label oils who don't disclose.
Maybe another reason NOT to disclose whose chemical package you buy for your private label dexos1 oil is simply that your company might change it every year or so depending on what deals you get from either Afton, Oronite, Lubrizol, or Infineum.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: shiny
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Lubrizol's "cookbook recipe" for a dexos1 engine oil requires at least 75% GroupIII (synthetic) oil, when using their additive chemicals:
......
How can we know which oils contain PV1202 in their add pack?
Great question. I'd like to know what oils, like maybe MAG1, Coastal, SuperTech, etc. for example, use the Lubrizol dexos1 PV1202 chemicals since it seems like good stuff.
That kind of thing isn't generally disclosed, probably for reasons of "marketing mystique" so each oil label brand can appear as if they have their very own mad scientist and their oil is unique. All image of course.
Mobil1, Pennzoil, QuakerState, Castrol, Havoline, Chevron, Shell doesn't use Lubrizol. That leaves about a thousand "blender" private label oils who don't disclose.
Maybe another reason NOT to disclose whose chemical package you buy for your private label dexos1 oil is simply that your company might change it every year or so depending on what deals you get from either Afton, Oronite, Lubrizol, or Infineum.
Why would a blender disclose who makes their additives? Only the BITOG members who are the 0.001% care about this and likely it is covered under contractual non disclosure agreements.
Originally Posted By: shiny
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Lubrizol's "cookbook recipe" for a dexos1 engine oil requires at least 75% GroupIII (synthetic) oil, when using their additive chemicals:
......
How can we know which oils contain PV1202 in their add pack?
Great question. I'd like to know what oils, like maybe MAG1, Coastal, SuperTech, etc. for example, use the Lubrizol dexos1 PV1202 chemicals since it seems like good stuff.
That kind of thing isn't generally disclosed, probably for reasons of "marketing mystique" so each oil label brand can appear as if they have their very own mad scientist and their oil is unique. All image of course.
Mobil1, Pennzoil, QuakerState, Castrol, Havoline, Chevron, Shell doesn't use Lubrizol. That leaves about a thousand "blender" private label oils who don't disclose.
Maybe another reason NOT to disclose whose chemical package you buy for your private label dexos1 oil is simply that your company might change it every year or so depending on what deals you get from either Afton, Oronite, Lubrizol, or Infineum.
Why would a blender disclose who makes their additives? Only the BITOG members who are the 0.001% care about this and likely it is covered under contractual non disclosure agreements.
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
To GM lovers it's the best thing since sliced bread.
To others it's a cash grab.
Isn't EVERYTHING a business does a "cash grab"? Other lubrication specs aren't made for the love of it.
To GM lovers it's the best thing since sliced bread.
To others it's a cash grab.
Isn't EVERYTHING a business does a "cash grab"? Other lubrication specs aren't made for the love of it.
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Why would a blender disclose who makes their additives? Only the BITOG members who are the 0.001% care about this and likely it is covered under contractual non disclosure agreements.
I agree, a blender only cares if he gets the dexos license or not. If I were in business doing that, I'd compete Afton, Lubrizol against one another for whoever can sell me the pre-certified dexos kit chemicals da cheapest. I saw that Lubrizol was bragging about how they exceed the dexos1 spec, but who cares? Nobody (no customers) would know.
On the other hand, Lubrizol made their elixir sound superior to an end consumer nut-job, like people who want the best for their engine. So where are the Lubrizol dexos oils ?
Why would a blender disclose who makes their additives? Only the BITOG members who are the 0.001% care about this and likely it is covered under contractual non disclosure agreements.
I agree, a blender only cares if he gets the dexos license or not. If I were in business doing that, I'd compete Afton, Lubrizol against one another for whoever can sell me the pre-certified dexos kit chemicals da cheapest. I saw that Lubrizol was bragging about how they exceed the dexos1 spec, but who cares? Nobody (no customers) would know.
On the other hand, Lubrizol made their elixir sound superior to an end consumer nut-job, like people who want the best for their engine. So where are the Lubrizol dexos oils ?
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