Dexos liscensing isn't THAT difficult to get.

[stchman]

Looking at the dexos1 licensing page, it almost looks like ANYONE that asks (and pays) gets it.

Oils like.

AutoZone
CARQUEST
Napa
O'Reilly's
Parts Plus
Supertech
Value Tech

Other associated auto parts stores branded oils are there as well. I gather that these oils are simply re-branded higher end oils.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Nothing wrong with it IMO. They wanted a spec oil just like any other mfgr, and since they are a big hitter they get to make their rules about it.

It's a high standard and I use it exclusively in my fleet of GM products...

 

[OneEyeJack]

If they own the football, it's their rules.

 

[mrsilv04]

It is likely that more of the private brand oils are "coming on board" since GM changed the structure of the licensing fees for dexos.

...and, it is apparent that dexos isn't going to go away anytime soon either.

 

[mjoekingz28]

So, will ExxonMobil tell General Motors to quit using power steering in their autombiles?

Maybe XOM will make an appearance in engine designs?

 

[OneEyeJack]

Finally I think I know the answer to the question, why DEXOS?

A GM engineer while out slumming one day walked into a 7-Eleven and looked at the automotive engine oil on the shelf for sale and had a stroke. Even though some of the bottles were marked in small letters, "Not suitable for vehicles manufactured after 1930", or "Only suitable for Briggs and Stratton lawn mowers", customers still put that oil in their late model GM vehicles. The bottles had fancy names and flashy labels and not one customer ever heard of PQIA or the SAE and the cashier was all in trying to hit the right buttons on the cash register. So, now we have DEXOS and it's a very good idea for the uninformed public and the vehicles they drive.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: stchman
Looking at the dexos1 .....
Other associated auto parts stores branded oils are there as well. I gather that these oils are simply re-branded higher end oils.


Yes, you're right. The major additive companies, like Lubrizol for example, can sell any blender plant owned by anybody an additive elixir to mix into whatever base oil Lubrizol says is acceptable to meet dexos1/2. So you and I can make our own "brand" of oil which is actually the same as, say, SuperTech, but we put some fancy label on the front we designed. Then we pay GM the dexos fees to put the official dexos logo on the front of the bottle. *** It really does meet dexos1/2 requirements tests though! ****

Originally Posted By: boraticus
I found this list of oil brand names manufactured by different companies. It's not the most up to date list (2006) nor is it thoroughly complete. However, it is informative.:

Ever wanted to know who makes what oil? Here's the who makes what list. If you see any discrepencies, please feel free to edit the list and repost.


Maker
--Products

Pay special attention to ExxonMobil, making a lot of oils that do well in Toyota v6's & v8's.



Advanced Lubrication Specialties, Inc

* Advantage
* Advantage 5000
* Getty (some?)
* Lukoil (some?)
* CRL
* L&D Superior
* Sunoco


Amalie

* Acme Ultraguard
* Amalie
* American Eagle Super Duty
* American XT Premium
* Crown Super Turbo
* Elixir
* Federated
* Flash Foods
* Foodtown
* Guard Heavy Duty
* “Heavy Duty”
* Imperial
* Millennium
* Pro High Performance Choice
* Pronto Supreme
* Rallye
* RPX Turbo Blend
* Shop Rite Premium
* Sprint 500 Premium
* Super Turbo Xcel
* U.S. Lubricants Super Heavy Duty
* Value Tech
* VIP
* Xcel
* XLO


Ashland

* Kubota Tractor Oils
* Napa
* Valvoline


BP/Castrol

* Arco
* Powertech Super
* Drydene
* Assuron


Chevron/Texaco

(all products seem to carry the Chevron or Texaco logos...so there is no confusion here as to what they make)

CHS Inc
o Auto Gold
o Maxtron
o Super 12m
o Superlube
o Superol
o Viking

Citgo
o Mystic

Conoco-Phillips

• 
  o CircleK
  o Kendall
  o Motorcraft
  o Union 76
  o Phillips 66
  
  Cross Oil Refining
  o Gard
  o Gardfleet
  o Pure-Flo
  o Xtreme
  
  David Weber Oil Co.
  o Gibraltar
  o Powerflo
  
  ExxonMobil
  o SuperTech (Walmart; some)
  o ESSO
  o CAT Diesel (EM Mexico)
  o Lubricante Carrefour (EM Mexico)
  o Mopar (EM Mexico; some)
  o Motorcraft (EM Mexico; some)
  o Toyota Genuine(EM Mexico)
  o Nissan (EM Mexico)
  o Tech 2000 (EM Mexico)
  
  FL Viscosity Oil Co.
  o Case Tractor/Ag
  o New Holland Tractor/Ag
  
  McCollister & Co.
  o Archer
  o Motorlast
  o United
  o United/Hyde
  
  Omni Specialty Packaging, Inc.
  (may not be the actual refiner)
  o Dutch
  o Excell
  o Nuvo
  o O’Reillys
  o Parts Master
  o Pure Guard
  
  Pinnacle Oil Co.
  o Admiral
  o Allfleet
  o Allsup’s
  o Casey’s
  o Certified
  o Cogo’s
  o Duke
  o Favorite Markets
  o Fire Star
  o Fleet Pro
  o Gas America
  o Gas City
  o Kum & Go
  o Love’s
  o National
  o On Your Way
  o Sheetz
  o Steel City
  o Thorton’s
  o True North
  
  Safety Kleen (including Canada)
  
  * America’s Choice
  * Autoprix
  * Canada’s Choice
  * Checkered Flag
  * Classic
  * Fast Trac
  * Finish Line
  * Formula A
  * Moto Prix
  * Performance Plus
  * Premium I
  * Safety-Kleen
  
  
  Sinclair Oil Co.
  
  * Arctic Fire
  * Dura Tec
  * Sinclair Supreme
  
  
  SOPUS (Shell)
  
  * Quaker State
  * Pennzoil
  * Wolf’s Head
  
  J.D. Streett & Co.
  • 
    * Streett
    * STP
    * Unilab
    
    
    Warren Oil/Coastal/Unilube
    
    * 4 Brothers
    * Advance Auto
    * All Star Express
    * Allstar
    * American XT
    * Appco
    * Bradley Plus
    * Carolina Petro
    * Coastal
    * Do-It-Best
    * Duplex
    * Enmark
    * Express
    * Fill-Ups
    * Fred's
    * Gas N Go
    * Genuine
    * Halco
    * Handy Way
    * Itasca Outdoors
    * Jr Food
    * Kohler
    * Krasdale
    * Lubriguard
    * Performance Engineered
    * Price Wise
    * Quality Plus
    * Quality Supreme
    * Red Apple
    * Savers Choice
    * Savings Plus
    * Saxon
    * Saxon Gold
    * Sentry
    * Service Pro
    * Shurtech
    * Trac
    * Valucraft (Autozone)
    * Warren
    
    Warren Performance Products (WPP)
    
    • 
      * Accel
      * Kum & Go Super Premium
      * Mag 1
      * Oasis Market
      * Pilot Premium
      * ProLine (Pep Boys)
      * Spectrum Plus (Sears)
      * Supertech (Walmart; some)
      * Traveller (Tractor Supply)

 

[The_Jeff]

Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
So, now we have DEXOS and it's a very good idea for the uninformed public and the vehicles they drive.



Except it's Dexos 1 and Dexos 2! Which is heir apparent to "Just Dexos"?

This, brought to you by the guys who split the "Olds Cutlass" into the "Cutlass Salon, Cutlass Supreme, Cutlass Calais, Cutlass Cruiser, Cutlass Ciera..."

 

[Rand]

dexos 2 is diesel right?

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
So, now we have DEXOS and it's a very good idea for the uninformed public and the vehicles they drive.



Except it's Dexos 1 and Dexos 2! Which is heir apparent to "Just Dexos"?

This, brought to you by the guys who split the "Olds Cutlass" into the "Cutlass Salon, Cutlass Supreme, Cutlass Calais, Cutlass Cruiser, Cutlass Ciera..."


With your 26k posts, haven't you heard that dexos1 (yes, lowercase "d" letter is correct) is for gasoline engines, and dexos2 is for diesel engines in the GM stable? (Some GM diesel truck engines don't use dexos2 I believe.)
And yes there are reports they are working on an update to dexos since the current one has been out for 5 years.

 

[Bottom_Feeder]

Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
...and not one customer ever heard of PQIA or the SAE and the cashier was all in trying to hit the right buttons on the cash register. So, now we have DEXOS and it's a very good idea for the uninformed public and the vehicles they drive.

So if the uninformed public doesn't know anything about PQIA, SAE, API, etc, why would they know anything about what Dexos is?

 

[HangFire]

Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
...and not one customer ever heard of PQIA or the SAE and the cashier was all in trying to hit the right buttons on the cash register. So, now we have DEXOS and it's a very good idea for the uninformed public and the vehicles they drive.

So if the uninformed public doesn't know anything about PQIA, SAE, API, etc, why would they know anything about what Dexos is?


Lol you took the words out of my mouth. That's the great thing about standards... there are so many of them!

 

[MolaKule]

Basically, I see Dexos as fulfilling two objectives:

1.) Adding an income stream for GM,

2.) Reducing warranty claims for GM.

 

[stchman]

Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Finally I think I know the answer to the question, why DEXOS?

A GM engineer while out slumming one day walked into a 7-Eleven and looked at the automotive engine oil on the shelf for sale and had a stroke. Even though some of the bottles were marked in small letters, "Not suitable for vehicles manufactured after 1930", or "Only suitable for Briggs and Stratton lawn mowers", customers still put that oil in their late model GM vehicles. The bottles had fancy names and flashy labels and not one customer ever heard of PQIA or the SAE and the cashier was all in trying to hit the right buttons on the cash register. So, now we have DEXOS and it's a very good idea for the uninformed public and the vehicles they drive.



I don't know ANYONE that goes into a convenience store to buy oil for an oil change. Convenience stores don't sell oil filters last time I checked as well. The only reason that convenience stores sell oil is for people to buy a quart to top off in case of an emergency.

The reasons dexos exists are IMO:

1. If BMW and Mercedes can do it, so can GM.
2. GM just wants to make sure people use quality oil.
3. I am sure that financial interests are a consideration as well.

 

[NHGUY]

Parts Plus is Ashland on west coast,Amalie on east coast.Wolfs Head is Amalie.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: stchman
The reasons dexos exists are IMO:

1. If BMW and Mercedes can do it, so can GM.
2. GM just wants to make sure people use quality oil.
3. I am sure that financial interests are a consideration as well.


BMW and MB don't charge a royalty fee based on how much oil you sell. They do have an expensive certification one-time fee, but its not like holding the oil company for ransom on each quart.
#2 & #3 reasons are true, and don't forget they wanted to unite U.S. and Euro oil specs too.

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Finally I think I know the answer to the question, why DEXOS?

A GM engineer while out slumming one day walked into a 7-Eleven and looked at the automotive engine oil on the shelf for sale and had a stroke. Even though some of the bottles were marked in small letters, "Not suitable for vehicles manufactured after 1930", or "Only suitable for Briggs and Stratton lawn mowers", customers still put that oil in their late model GM vehicles. The bottles had fancy names and flashy labels and not one customer ever heard of PQIA or the SAE and the cashier was all in trying to hit the right buttons on the cash register. So, now we have DEXOS and it's a very good idea for the uninformed public and the vehicles they drive.


Another useless post.....to keep growing the number of said posts!

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Basically, I see Dexos as fulfilling two objectives:

1.) Adding an income stream for GM,

2.) Reducing warranty claims for GM.

Agreed.

 

[stchman]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: stchman
The reasons dexos exists are IMO:

1. If BMW and Mercedes can do it, so can GM.
2. GM just wants to make sure people use quality oil.
3. I am sure that financial interests are a consideration as well.


BMW and MB don't charge a royalty fee based on how much oil you sell. They do have an expensive certification one-time fee, but its not like holding the oil company for ransom on each quart.
#2 & #3 reasons are true, and don't forget they wanted to unite U.S. and Euro oil specs too.


I have never gotten any authentic data on these lavish outrageous fees GM is reported to charge other than "I think" or "I've heard".

If the fees were so outrageous then there would not be that many oil makers on board.

It kills me that people will brag that they use some exotic high priced Euro grade oil(0W-40, 10W-60) in their engine, but then complain that dexos oils are too pricey. I guess telling people you use a "European Car Formula" oil elevates social status?

With this being said is the dexos spec kind of [censored], maybe, but GM isn't the first to do something like this.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Basically, I see Dexos as fulfilling two objectives:

1.) Adding an income stream for GM,

2.) Reducing warranty claims for GM.


I see the warranty-claims issue, but what I'd like to see is even higher spec requirements for turbo engines, and engines that see severe service maybe.
Like, GM should say SN-GF5 is good enough for easy going engines, and step up to a more stringent dexos (tougher than the current dexos) for turbo engines, high perf apps, and severe service. This one size fits all spec is a little too simple for my tastes.