Despise Chrysler Vehicles?

My son drives a Jeep Renegade which hasn't been 100% trouble free, but it isn't terrible either. It has 85k miles, and in the ~25k miles we've had it, it has needed a new thermostat (which is not an easy repair) and new front rotors. Other than that, it's unremarkable.
 
PWMDMD said:
I'm more worried about Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram remaining in business. I wouldn't touch any of those manufacturers at the moment. That's not hate, I'm just being prudent.
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As I've said elsewhere, if you buy a Wrangler today and Stellantis locks its doors tomorrow, you'll still be able to get parts for the rest of your children's natural lives.

But yeah, warranty would be gone.

All the other Jeep models are understood to be disposable, even the Cherokee. The Patriot, Renegade, Compass.....all cute-ute junk lucky to hit 100k without catastrophic failures.

The (Grand) Wagoneer? Yeah crazy expensive with new tech motor and sketchy manufacturer = risky
 
D60 said:
As I've said elsewhere, if you buy a Wrangler today and Stellantis locks its doors tomorrow, you'll still be able to get parts for the rest of your children's natural lives.

But yeah, warranty would be gone.

All the other Jeep models are understood to be disposable, even the Cherokee. The Patriot, Renegade, Compass.....all cute-ute junk lucky to hit 100k without catastrophic failures.

The (Grand) Wagoneer? Yeah crazy expensive with new tech motor and sketchy manufacturer = risky
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Let me show you my 2007 Grand Cherokee.
 
I prefer Ram. My 2011 1500 was pretty solid and so is my 2017 3500. After all the reading on this forum, I am in no rush to buy another stellantis product. But I must say, there is no way they ate more garbage than ford.
 
I owned a TJ from 2002 to 2023 and replaced it with a 2021 JL 4xe. It’s been completely trouble free.
I’m not a fan of pickups but if I needed one my first choice would be a RAM. I’ve also been sorely tempted by a Challenger SRT as well as a AR Quadrifoglio- so no hate for Stellantis here.
 
MCompact said:
I owned a TJ from 2002 to 2023 and replaced it with a 2021 JL 4xe. It’s been completely trouble free.
I’m not a fan of pickups but if I needed one my first choice would be a RAM. I’ve also been sorely tempted by a Challenger SRT as well as a AR Quadrifoglio- so no hate for Stellantis here.
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My 2020 Rubicon has been trouble free - and with many miles in 4WD …
 
My 2009 caravan has been awesome over the years. Suspension and wheel bearings go prematurely but I think every "chrysler" is that way.

Otherwise I really love that van. Unfortunately the vans with the 6speed tranny dont seem to fare as well.
 
No hate for Chrysler here. However, from the time I started buying brand-new cars in 2000 to the present day, they haven't been building what I needed when it was time for a new vehicle.

My next vehicle will likely be a mid-sized pickup. They haven't built the Dakota since 2011. I'll be shopping elsewhere yet again.
 
Of the cars I have owned, my favorites are the ones are the Chryslers developed before Daimler's influence. I can handle the LH platforms quirks, the styling was fantastic, the comfort on the LHS and 300M was second to none, the ride quality was the right balance of firm vs soft, they handled good for their time, the interior styling was excellent, and had reasonable build quality.

My 200 is okay. It has great acceleration and fuel economy. It has been pretty reliable. The styling is mediocre. The interior is okay. It handles quite well. The ride quality is bad compared to previous generation cars but decent compared to modern cars. The seats are awful compared to older vehicles but decent to modern cars. The transmissions is very annoying I don't know what daimler did to this unit But they screwed it up as the four-speed variants were better smooth.

I haven't owned my ES 350 long enough to really give a fair comparison between the two but I can tell you that the ES 350 is certainly more comfortable than the 200 but it's not a day and night difference quite like the LHS is to the 200 or the ES 350. I will say that I don't like the infotainment system or the climate control on the ES 350. It is way overcomplicated and requires me to take my eyes off the road to change simple things. A relative has a Avalon That at nearly 80,000 mi already is making a very strange engine noise. We're hoping it's only a water pump. I'll keep you posted on it. The CD players hard drive crashes on the Avalon as well. This is shortly after buying the vehicle. I believe that aisin makes a superior transmission and there are certain things Toyota does very well but I don't believe that Toyota is automatically superior at all things over Chrysler.

I think of Chrysler would have accepted defeat in the early '90s concerning transmission building and would have bought a proper unit from Aisin like they did with the Cherokee XJ (along with accepting defeat on the 2.7 L V6, using the 3.3 and 3.5 extensively throughout their lineup), I don't think they'd have their current reputation. Not saying that they didn't have other problems but I think those were their biggest mistakes.

The Viper is awesome but certainly not a normal vehicle.

My parents have a grand caravan with around 160,000 mi. It's been reliable but not the most comfortable vehicle unlike the pre-daimler/fiat era. Same complaint about the stupid 62 TE.

They're 19 Jeep Cherokee has about 51,000 on it. No problems other than It has the roughest suspension ever combined with incredibly hard seats. If the seats had soft padding they would be awesome.
 
D60 said:
As I've said elsewhere, if you buy a Wrangler today and Stellantis locks its doors tomorrow, you'll still be able to get parts for the rest of your children's natural lives.

But yeah, warranty would be gone.

All the other Jeep models are understood to be disposable, even the Cherokee. The Patriot, Renegade, Compass.....all cute-ute junk lucky to hit 100k without catastrophic failures.

The (Grand) Wagoneer? Yeah crazy expensive with new tech motor and sketchy manufacturer = risky
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Unfortunately Stellantis said that only 4% ofgrand Cherokee buyers opted for the V8 hence dropping it. My 05 neon had a weird short in the wiring harness causing it to ruin the fuel pump, battery and not start. After $1100 I hope that's the largest chunk I have to spend.
 
Enthusiast said:
Of the cars I have owned, my favorites are the ones are the Chryslers developed before Daimler's influence. I can handle the LH platforms quirks, the styling was fantastic, the comfort on the LHS and 300M was second to none, the ride quality was the right balance of firm vs soft, they handled good for their time, the interior styling was excellent, and had reasonable build quality.
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I agree; the pre-Daimler cars had a kind of a swagger to them that stood out in the marketplace. They were fresh and new. The LH cars, Cirrus and Stratus, etc. I was urging my dad to test drive a 300M at the time.... Then came the Daimler era which ushered in a kind of stodgy, frumpy styling that reminded me of the first K cars. A step backward, in my opinion. Maybe it was the higher window sills that ruined it? Whatever it was, I didn't like it.
 
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