Dem's Killing off their Future Voters

[ALS]

The Wall Street Journal has a piece today on how if the Democrat's had been against abortion they may not have been kicked out of power. Elections over they last few years may have gone their way if there hadn't been 40 million abortions over the last 30 years.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005277

 

[Chris B.]

We are the only species that plans and kills their young before they are even born! That is pretty sad.


But I am glad the Dems are not getting the votes!

 

[WDP]

Another line of worthless drivvel. Abortion is a personal choice, don't like it?? don't have one. The writer assumes that every lost democrat would vote when 18, but what about the ones who kill each other, are too worthless to do anything but live off of the goverment or convicted felons in jail? There are too many people on this earth now and the millions of abortions are but a small dent in the total. But maybe a chance for someone to straighten out there life and become a productive member of soceity.

 

[T-Keith]

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Originally posted by Chris B.:
We are the only species that plans and kills their young before they are even born! That is pretty sad.


But I am glad the Dems are not getting the votes!

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I don't want to get into this whole issue, but this is not true. The Grizzly bear carries the fertilized egg until fall. If the mother doesn't have enough fat stored for winter the bear can abort the embreyo, to survive the winter. I'm not sure what other animals have a similar ability, but I wouldn't doubt if there were others.


-T

 

[1sttruck]

The vast majority of 'pro-lifers' that I run across live in small glass houses.

The bottom line is that a life is prevented from coming into this world, but most seem to forget that there are many ways to accomplish that. People's positions seem to place undo importance on when and how that life is prevented from coming into this world, an example being that strict Catholics are at least a bit more consistent in that they also seem to discourage most forms of birth control. For someone to say 'I'm pro-life' and to use or benefit from a form of birth control that is 99.9% effective is hypocritical, as that life would have had a very high probablity of coming into this world if the birth control had not been used. In reality they're 'pro-choice', as they merely made the choise earlier in the process. A strong 'pro-life' position would require that every opportunity to produce a life be taken advantage of.

I'm 'pro-choice'.

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Birth control doesn't kill anything, it just prevents it from happening...

 

[benjamming]

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Originally posted by 1sttruck:
A strong 'pro-life' position would require that every opportunity to produce a life be taken advantage of.

I'm 'pro-choice'.

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So to really be pro-life, I should have sex, what 12 times a day? Can't let any of my millions of potential offspring die??? That's crazy!

 

[1sttruck]

Jason Troxell said "Birth control doesn't kill anything, it just prevents it from happening... "

Meaning that you're 'pro-choice', as you've chosen to prevent a life from coming into this world. You have artificially interrupted the process by which life is formed, 'God's plan' as some would say. Taken a level up, say you distribute a chemical ends up sterilizing all males of a species, could you say that you didn't kill off the species ?

 

[Kuma]

Erm, I think you're argument is contingent upon your definitions.

I think the anti-abortion folks think it is wrong to *terminate* a life that already exists. I don't know too many people that use birth control and necessarily consider themselves pro-abortion as a result of that; rather, their pro-abortion views are contingent on the notion that it is alright for a woman to chose to abort an already existing pregnancy.

Simply corraling everyone into one of these two viewpoints is kind of useless anyway when there are so many individuals variations, but I think the main divide is not based on "will of God" type stuff but rather is it within a woman's rights to decide to terminate an already existing pregnancy? Calling people pro-choice because they believe in birth control may make logical sense but in the end just makes them mad.

 

[1sttruck]

Kuma said "I think the anti-abortion folks think it is wrong to *terminate* a life that already exists. I don't know too many people that use birth control and necessarily consider themselves pro-abortion as a result of that; rather, their pro-abortion views are contingent on the notion that it is alright for a woman to chose to abort an already existing pregnancy."

Some of the types of birth control still work if the egg is fertilized, and all types of birth control are designed to prevent life from coming into this world. Intent matters a great deal, and the intent to prevent life from forming results in many, many more lives from coming into this world than a later term abortion does. I'm not Catholic but I'll guess that is part of the reason for their stand on birth control, another part being their tendancy to display more intectual rigor than most faiths. I'm not going to judge anyone 'good' or 'bad' based upon being 'pro'life' or 'pro-choice', but I will ask some to get off of the soap box if they seem to display too much joy in throwing rocks at others on the issue, as they've made their choice on how to prevent life from coming into this world.

 

[labman]

I struggled with abortion for a long time before I saw it for what it really is, bumping somebody off because you find them inconvenient. In general society frowns on that. I part company with many Christians and conservatives on how to solve this problem. We need to make changes not in Washington, but in people's hearts. In changing people's hearts, I do not mean placing a bullet in the heart of abortion providers.

 

[ekpolk]

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Originally posted by Chris B.:
We are the only species that plans and kills their young before they are even born! That is pretty sad.

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Well, that's not exactly correct. In several species of sharks, unborn "babies" eat each other until only one remains to be born. See, we're not so bad afterall. . .

 

[Matt89]

I'm with you, Labman.

It seems so sad that there are so many families that can't have kids, and so many young women who are in no position to raise one.

Making abortion illegal is about as effective as making drugs illegal...you stop some but it's not even 50% of the answer.

If young women with accidental pregnancies had 1) good information, 2) moral support, and 3) a real alternative (like a stigma-free pregnancy and adoption process) they might make the right "choice" more often.

The way a lot of people treat unwed mothers makes abortion an attractive choice to somebody who is scared to begin with.

 

[HOndaGuy]

I just find it funny that most democrats hate hunting, but support abortion. What a bunch of crackheads!!!!!! A life of a human is a life. Hunters at least kill what could be an over abundance of animals(mainly deer and bear) that could cause harm to humans if they become overpopulated.

 

[needtoknow]

Is a stillbirth Gods method of abortion?

 

[1sttruck]

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/poll010702.html

Ideology and Party

Ideology and political partisanship, both of which would fit under "personal nonreligious beliefs," show at least as strong a role in views on abortion. Support for legal abortion ranges from 75 percent among liberals to 34 percent among conservatives; and from 59 percent among Democrats to 40 percent among Republicans.


Abortions should be:
col 1 All / mostly legal
col 2 All / mostly illegal

Liberals 75% 23
Moderates 57 39
Conservatives 34 63

Democrats 59% 37
Independents 59 36
Republicans 40 58

 

[MikeR]

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Originally posted by Chris B.:
We are the only species that plans and kills their young before they are even born!

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A female mouse will abort in the presence of a male mouse that is not the litter's "father."


This is why you very rarely see male mice going on business trips.

MR

 

[Al]

Well many people who are dead set against abortions would quickly opt for one if their 16 year old daughter with a promising career came home with a little one in the oven. Lots of hypocracy here.

 

[ekpolk]

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Originally posted by Chris B.:
We are the only species that plans and kills their young before they are even born! That is pretty sad.


But I am glad the Dems are not getting the votes!

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Chris: Since it will look like I'm picking on you, my apologies in advance (and my flame suit is going on...

). I forgot this little factoid: when a male lion takes over a pride of lionesses (having killed or run off the previous dominant lion), one of the first things he does is hunt down and "terminate" all the pride's cubs fathered by the former dominant male. Not very nice, and not very important to us either, but no, we're not the only beings that selectively stamp out some of our young. Disclaimer: this is not offered as support for or attack against any position in the on-going abortion debate.

 

[Chris B.]

I should have have said we are the only species that does it out of convienence and use it as a form of birth control. Animals do not predetermen if they will kill their young or not....we do.

Have you ever seen some of the people who lived through an abortion? They are usually f***** up and a lot of then sue their mothers later in life. That is pretty sad and wrong and I feel for them.