Delta Inherits DC9s

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Originally Posted By: Tremo
Well speaking of 777s and 764s, I'll be on a couple next week on the round trip from ATL to LIM. Flight down is on the 777 but flight back is on a 764.

Interesting comment about the landing weight being the problem, I never considered that.

Why have so many carriers invested in the CRJ, when the ERJ is more comfortable? CRJ must be cheaper. CRJ-900 looks awkward.

Anybody know what percentage of NWA planes have been re-painted into DL colors? Last time I was in DTW there were still a lot in NWA paint.


about 40% of the CRJ-200 (NWA) are painted in DAL colors now. The reason the CRJ-900 has a pointed down look to it is because that way they can keep the air stairs. If the height is above a certain point, evac slides has to be put in, which would increase the overall cost. the CRJ-900 is perfect for certain airport that does not have a jet bridge.
 
Originally Posted By: Tremo
Well speaking of 777s and 764s, I'll be on a couple next week on the round trip from ATL to LIM. Flight down is on the 777 but flight back is on a 764.

Interesting comment about the landing weight being the problem, I never considered that.

Why have so many carriers invested in the CRJ, when the ERJ is more comfortable? CRJ must be cheaper. CRJ-900 looks awkward.

Anybody know what percentage of NWA planes have been re-painted into DL colors? Last time I was in DTW there were still a lot in NWA paint.
I'm assuming you're a revenue passenger, because if you are flying on an employee pass you won't come back from Lima on Delta.
 
Originally Posted By: zulu
Originally Posted By: Tremo
Well speaking of 777s and 764s, I'll be on a couple next week on the round trip from ATL to LIM. Flight down is on the 777 but flight back is on a 764.

Interesting comment about the landing weight being the problem, I never considered that.

Why have so many carriers invested in the CRJ, when the ERJ is more comfortable? CRJ must be cheaper. CRJ-900 looks awkward.

Anybody know what percentage of NWA planes have been re-painted into DL colors? Last time I was in DTW there were still a lot in NWA paint.


I'm the opposite... I think the CRJs are WAY more comfortable/quiet than the ERJ135/140/145s. However, they don't hold a candle the the newer E-Jets.
The E170 is a fine regional jet. In Shuttle America's configuration, it's more comfortable than a mainline narrowbody airplane, which is saying a lot. It makes the CRJ look like the Wright Flyer.
 
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: zulu
Originally Posted By: Tremo
Well speaking of 777s and 764s, I'll be on a couple next week on the round trip from ATL to LIM. Flight down is on the 777 but flight back is on a 764.

Interesting comment about the landing weight being the problem, I never considered that.

Why have so many carriers invested in the CRJ, when the ERJ is more comfortable? CRJ must be cheaper. CRJ-900 looks awkward.

Anybody know what percentage of NWA planes have been re-painted into DL colors? Last time I was in DTW there were still a lot in NWA paint.


I'm the opposite... I think the CRJs are WAY more comfortable/quiet than the ERJ135/140/145s. However, they don't hold a candle the the newer E-Jets.
The E170 is a fine regional jet. In Shuttle America's configuration, it's more comfortable than a mainline narrowbody airplane, which is saying a lot. It makes the CRJ look like the Wright Flyer.


You're comparing apples to oranges. The E-170/175 is not made to be an RJ. Look at the name E-170 that's why it's not called ERJ-170. Embraer was trying to get out of the RJ market and build something that will fill the gap between an RJ and something that's 100+ seats. Wait til Bombardier comes out with the C-series, then it's more comparable.
 
I love ERJ's, I've been on 3 of them and one CRJ. I prefer the ERJ a lot more then the CRJ, sure it might not be as tall inside, but I don't stand the entire flight.. so I don't worry about stuff like that. As long as you can manuever to your seat, I am good. One aspect I really like of the ERJ is its 2-1 seating, if you get on the side with the single seats, you have nice shoulder/elbow room and good leg room as you can use up some aisle space, but you still have a window seat.

It also seemed like a much more agile aircraft and was smoother riding, but that coulda been the pilots tho too........


its a shame to hear about Delta basically shutting down at CVG, when I fly I'm normally going to CVG... Like the airport, but my only problem with it, it seems to be expensive to fly in there. Its much cheaper to pick up a ticket going to a nearby airport. Like Indy, Louisville, Lexington, Dayton.... if your lucky, you will actually find a ticket going to one of those places, much cheaper then a ticket ending in CVG, but you still stop in CVG....... so I just get the cheaper ticket and not use the last leg of the trip that goes to some other random city.......
 
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Originally Posted By: Silver02ex
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: zulu
Originally Posted By: Tremo
Well speaking of 777s and 764s, I'll be on a couple next week on the round trip from ATL to LIM. Flight down is on the 777 but flight back is on a 764.

Interesting comment about the landing weight being the problem, I never considered that.

Why have so many carriers invested in the CRJ, when the ERJ is more comfortable? CRJ must be cheaper. CRJ-900 looks awkward.

Anybody know what percentage of NWA planes have been re-painted into DL colors? Last time I was in DTW there were still a lot in NWA paint.


I'm the opposite... I think the CRJs are WAY more comfortable/quiet than the ERJ135/140/145s. However, they don't hold a candle the the newer E-Jets.
The E170 is a fine regional jet. In Shuttle America's configuration, it's more comfortable than a mainline narrowbody airplane, which is saying a lot. It makes the CRJ look like the Wright Flyer.


You're comparing apples to oranges. The E-170/175 is not made to be an RJ. Look at the name E-170 that's why it's not called ERJ-170. Embraer was trying to get out of the RJ market and build something that will fill the gap between an RJ and something that's 100+ seats. Wait til Bombardier comes out with the C-series, then it's more comparable.
They exist at Delta Connection carriers as point-to-point transport in lieu of real mainline aircraft for the same exact reason: To get around Delta's pilot contracts and get cheaper labor.
Plus, here's the rundown of a typical city's flights:

738
CRJ
CR7
E75
M88
CRJ
CRJ
M88

So you get to choose between the Canadair cattle cart, a mainline aircraft, or the jungle jet. The jungle jet is more comfortable than the rest, except maybe the 738s with the winglets which feature AVOD.
 
Yes, i know a thing or two about getting around scope, etc. Since I fly for a NWA airlink carrier, (Delta connection) now. My point was the E-jets are not regional jets (just the airplane itself. You said that the E-jets are RJ's because they are flown by regionals (if i read this correctly). Ok in this case the E-190 are flown fly Replubic pilots (in Midwest colors) so that makes the E-190 an a regional jet? If that the case, Jetblue and US Air is operating the E-190 by mainline pilots does that then make them regional pilots?
 
I can't help reviving this old thread.
We were at FLL last Thursday, and we saw what must have been a Northwest A320 painted in Delta colors.
Seemed strange, even if I expected to see one eventually.
 
I think they look good. They would look better with IAE engines, then again I am biased.

Then again this doesn't help much.

Delta320tailstrike001.jpg
 
The thing did look good.
It was just so odd to see an Airbus in Delta livery.
Nothing wrong with the CFM-56 either.
It is half French, after all.
 
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
I'm assuming you're a revenue passenger, because if you are flying on an employee pass you won't come back from Lima on Delta.


Then pray tell how does one come back?

If you travel internationally much, you get used to flights departing in the wee hours. Look at the departure times of just about every flight one would take from BLR to return to the USA. The LH, AF and Cathay flights all leave at about 2 AM.

The DL return flight from LIM arrives ATL in time to make a nice connection to SFO. Worked for me.
 
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
I think they look good. They would look better with IAE engines, then again I am biased.

Then again this doesn't help much.

Delta320tailstrike001.jpg



Holy tail strike Batman!
shocked2.gif
What does Airbus recommend for degrees pitch per second during rotation?
 
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Originally Posted By: sparkplug
Approx 3 degrees per second. Initial pitch of 15 degrees.
Or untill scraping noise is heard.
 
Originally Posted By: Tremo
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
I'm assuming you're a revenue passenger, because if you are flying on an employee pass you won't come back from Lima on Delta.


Then pray tell how does one come back?

If you travel internationally much, you get used to flights departing in the wee hours. Look at the departure times of just about every flight one would take from BLR to return to the USA. The LH, AF and Cathay flights all leave at about 2 AM.

The DL return flight from LIM arrives ATL in time to make a nice connection to SFO. Worked for me.
Big D loves to load that flight full of cargo. Nonrevs can be delayed for weeks at a time...
 
Looks like Delta will be keeping those DC9s for some time. Just flew one MSP to EWR. They've put WiFi in the things and spruced up the interiors. Pax compartment looks nice. Cockpit looks ancient.

They use three F/As on those things, can't they get those Brasilian ERJ195s and replace these?
 
Originally Posted By: Tremo
Looks like Delta will be keeping those DC9s for some time. Just flew one MSP to EWR. They've put WiFi in the things and spruced up the interiors. Pax compartment looks nice. Cockpit looks ancient.

They use three F/As on those things, can't they get those Brasilian ERJ195s and replace these?


$$$$$$$

Paid for DC9s beat pretty well anything else in today's (and for the future) economy. Even if fuel goes double they still are better.. (and fuel will be going up)
 
Any nine other than the -51 series will be retired soon, I don't think that DL is even repainting the older series. The -51's will be getting the current DL interior which includes wifi and blue leather seats.
 
Originally Posted By: Tremo
Looks like Delta will be keeping those DC9s for some time. Just flew one MSP to EWR. They've put WiFi in the things and spruced up the interiors. Pax compartment looks nice. Cockpit looks ancient.

the pilots love the steam gauges and the fact that there are fewer gadgets to "tell" on you
 
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